The world has turned upside down!!! (Re: McCain vs. Obama for President)

But lasting physical damage is not the measure for torture. Waterboarding is outright torture, the Allied ceratainly thought so when the executed people guilty of applying torture in the world war II. An the UN thinks soThe defitiion of torture, from 1984 by the united nations

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For the purposes of this Convention, the term "torture" means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

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Waterboarding inflicts severe mental suffering on the victim, and is by definition torture. To say otherwise is to lie.

And since 1984 the US has used its veto twice as much as the other permanent members united. US have used its veto 41 times which is 10 times more than Russia in that period.So if there is a problem with the security council then it must surely be the US and not Russia at its roots!As a non US citizen I find it refreshing that a presidential candidate for once acknowledges that there is a world outside the US, and that might does not equal right. A concept the current administration and McCain seems unable to grasp. This is why the US is now a nation that has turned it back in human rights and the geneva convention, becoming a rogue, dangerous nations.

So kidnapping people from foreign soil. Torturing,keeping them in secret prisons, is just OK with all them fancy human rights?Funny that someone would think that actually committing atrocities and war crimes (like the US is doing) is better than doing nothing (what you accuse the UN of doing).And lets not derail the thread further by going into the vetoes "protecting" Israel. Its not as if the security council would have voted to wipe Israel of the map, if it wasn't for Israel. Several of the vetoes was to allow Israel to disregard the geneva convention, so at least the US knows its friends. I mentioned the record on vetoes because you seem to think the number of vetoes was significant.