The world has turned upside down!!! (Re: McCain vs. Obama for President)

I disagree with Buz on this issue I just wish it was only that bad.But folks it is a lot worse than him being Muslim.He sat for 20 years listening to the Right Reverend Wright spew his hate for whitey. He tithed thousands of dollars to support that message.Give me a break he is a black supremacist, that makes Malcolm X look like a sunday school teacher.Looking at the fruit.But that is just my opinion.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Dr as you know I am a pastor. I have preached in several black churches. I have many black pastor friends. We have played golf together, bowled together and went fishing together.I was involved in a mission work for 15 years where we had members from Africa, Columbia, Niquaraga, El Salvador, Honduras, Trinidad, Jamaica and others.None of these black pastors or people of color in the mission work have ever entertained the idea's of the Trinity United Church of Christ Obama was baptized in, was married in, raised his children in and supported with his tithes and offerings for 20 yearsYou have heard the old saying put your money where your mouth is. Well Obama put his money where Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr's mouth was for 20 years.For 20 years it was perfectly acceptable but when it became election time dump Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.Claim ignorance by saying I wasn't there when he said those things.
For 20 years he missed every service where they were mentioned. If you believe that I got some nice high dry swampland in Florida I will sell you.I am not going to post the things on the church web site you can visit it for yourself. Read About Us and Mission that will tell you what the church stood for 20 years ago and what it stands for today.You will find it Here If you will notice you will not find a statement of faith and belief concerning God.When you get through reading those facts then go to the book store and purchase Obama's two books and read them as I have.Read the statement's of his mother and his wife if you haven't already.You say examine the fruit.I examined his religious beliefs of black liberation theology practiced for 20 years.I examined Dreams From My Father by Barack Obama.I examined The Audacity of Hope by Barack Obama.After examining the evidence I concluded Barack Obama to be a black supremacist.I concluded that since you did not have to question where Malcolm X stood even though he flopped a couple of time you still knew what he was standing for at the moment.And Barack Obama is trying to conceal or deny everything he stands for that makes Malcolm X look a lot better.In the beginning I was afraid of what would happen if Obama becomes the next president.As time wears on I am becoming more concerned of what will happen if Obama does not become the next president.I will include one quote from the Mission statement of What Trinity Is About. W.E.B. DuBois "problem of color line".
Trinity "He was absolutely correct".
Trinity "Our job....eradicate it".God Bless,30

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Trot it out.I find he talked about cleaning up asbestos in a public housing project that still has a massive asbestos problem.I can't find where he appeared in Cook County court once.I find where he appeared in five district court cases in federal court in Chicago.I find where he appeared before the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals 5 times.Its neat how you can vote yes, no, or present which he did a lot.He also missed 1 of 5 votes in the Senate.In the Senate he sponsored a bill to promoted relief, security and democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo." That passed.He along with 9 others has sponsored a bill called the Global Poverty Act. To obligate taxpayers of the US to give a percentage (0.7) of GNP on foreign handouts. That is about 30 billion above what is wasted now.Nice track record.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

He has no track record that only leaves what he is.Do you think that after 20 years agreeing with a message and financing it that it didn't really stick?If you think that you don't know anything about religion then.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Have you read the books?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Jazzns I ask you had you read them because you have a bad habit of calling people liars. Which you did to me. So how about I quote a couple of passages that has nothing to do with anything anyone has said.The Audacity of Hope page 217 paragraph 3, first sentence.
You should not have a problem finding that. Dreams from My Father page 217 paragraph 3, first sentence.
You should not have a problem finding that. I got over people quoting the Bible out of context over 40 years ago.
Just as soon as I figured out everybody that claimed to be a Christian was not a Christian.You can claim anything but when you examine the fruit that the tree brings forth then you know what kind of tree it is. It does not make any difference what the sign in front of it says.As I said I examined his beliefs by what he was taught, by what he has said, by what he wrote in his books, by what his women have said and came to the conclusions he is a black supremacist.I am a lifetime democrat with no one to vote for.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Why would I have the books if I did not get them to read them.
Dreams of From My Father cost me $11.16. The Audacity of Hope $13.43.
That is enough money to supply 8 meals to someone at the shelter.So yes I studied them. Did I anywhere state that the only information I used to make my decision was the two books. Message 111 Points out several things including the two books. Message 112 I examined his record as suggested by Chiroptera.Then you ignore everything but the two books.BTW you did not confirm or deny whether I had the books or not. Message 116You said I could not have possibly read those books.God Bless,30

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

See:
Message 111
Message 112All of those things I examined and then came to my conclusions.
Not just the two books.God Bless,30

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

What makes you think he has changed his mind.He had that mindset for over 40 years. But he is involved in a political race to win.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

What part of my post did you not understand?I said he had these beliefs for 40 years and asked the question why anyone would think he had changed his mind.He is the same today and will have the same agenda he had 5 or 10 years ago come January.The same is the case with his opponent who said:

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The constant, crippling fear that I didn't belong somehow that unless I dodged and hid and pretended to be something I wasn't I would forever remain an outsider with the rest of the world, black and white, always standing in judgment

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DFMF 111Can a leopard change his spots?Can a waterfalls run in reverse?Can a man abandon his beliefs of the last 20/30 years? Do you know anyone better qualified to know if it works or not?
If he voted for it that means he did not feel it was inhumane.
He thought it could produce positive results.Or do you think you are better qualified to determine its use? If so what do you base your decision on?My personal views of a politician.He/she has his/her mind made up on what he/she is going to try to accomplish before he/she begins a run for office.He/she then has to convince the voters to give him/her the opportunity to accomplish his/her goal.Since he/she has convinced himself/herself that he/she is the prophet to lead the people to the promised land.The only truth that matters is the one that get the voters to the polls to pull the lever by his/her name.If that truth happens to be a lie so what it is only politics.What difference does it make how many times you flip-flop on an issue.Primary goal get the voter to pull the lever by his/her name NOTHING else matters.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

So you are saying a person that has never been exposed to torture would know whether it works better than someone who has experienced it.To borrow your words that is 'asinine'. You did not answer the question about the leopard changing his spots. Well he can't.Nether can McCain change who he is.Nether can Obama change who he is. I did not say I agreed with any of what I said.Other than:I believe someone who has experienced something knows more about it than someone who has never experienced that something.A leopard can not change his spots. Neither can either one of these candidates change who they are. If elected the real person will show up. I don't care what they told you, or promised you.Is their behavior acceptable to me. No.What can I do?Forget the hype, and find out who the real person is and then make my decision who I think will benefit the country the most and then vote for that person.The problem I am now faced with is, who will do the least damage?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Are you saying he could sit and listen to Wrights messages for 20 years pour multiple of thousands of dollars supporting that message and then not believe a word of it?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

You could always go back and read what you said."DOES NOT WORK" Does that mean no information has ever been obtained by applying torture?You said: Message 144You did say people who have studied torture know more about it than those who have suffered it as to whether it works or not.I am not debating whether it is right or wrong.Only that McCain would be better qualified to know if it works under laboratory tests.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Well since nam science has come a long way so the methods are very different today than then.Sure there are those who are good soldiers but there are many more who would sell their soul in a minute for no pain.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I said:
Message 145
Message 148
So quit putting words in my mouth.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."