The world has turned upside down!!! (Re: McCain vs. Obama for President)

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I also think you are reading the book without the proper expectations. This was not a policy book, this is a personal philosophy book.

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so you have to want to believe the hype, before you can actually read the hype?he was my senator for 4 years (state and federal), no thanks i've had enough of him.

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Do you have anything to discuss or do you just want to ask stupid questions?

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nah just trying to figure why ppl fall for the hype.

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Don't need your vote anyway. Good riddance. Illinois is going for him in a landslide anyway.

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he never got it in any of the previous elections, and probably won't. but what a great campaign of isolation you paint for this canidate, maybe he isn't for everybody.I left P.R. Illinois anyway. im here to keep Virginia red.

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Also he certainly isn't for everybody. If you are against basic civil rights, social justice, and the American way of life before it was hijacked by neo-con fascists, then Obama certainly isn't for you and I would recommend you stick to your party of whom only 30% of the American public admit to being a member of.

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lol, who knew the comedy this site had to offer!?!

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Good luck with that! And even if you succeed, enjoy your 2 democratic senators and ever increasing progressive population.

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progressive, lol you cant be serious. the ONLY Progressive president was Theodore Roosevelt (a republican BTW).

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Maybe with that avatar of yours you might just be better of seceding instead. Or didn't anyone tell you that the North won?

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yeah they did, thanks to the republicans

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Too bad it doesn't change the fact that your state is getting more blue every day.

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a fact? what about your state? named as the new version of a crappy a$$ 3rd world country, that BTW in my life time (30 years) have voted Repulican (Red) for president than has not 4/7 times.

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It sure is too bad that you have to look back into different centuries to find examples of when the Republican party stood for morals and civil rights. They abandoned that though during the Civil Rights movement.

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LOL!!!! the civil rights movement was in a different century too.though during the civil rights movement, your statement of abandonment is completely false, or a lie (i dont know you so i cant say which one for certain).from wikipedia here is the voting on the civil rights act of 1964 democrats vs. republicans:
By party
The original House version:[7]Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
The Senate version:[7]Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[7]Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)keep your lies or false propaganda to yourself.

must be all the foreigners, um i mean immigrants. the new crowd always falls for the entitlement, and the hype. apparently you prefer to make personal attacks than to debate.
Mexico does suck, bad. there is nothing racial about it, I think Canada sucks too (not as much as mexico), but you wouldn't call me a racist for not liking canada, so cut your character assassinating leftist BS. if you want to debate that is (most on the left just want to use name calling so i wouldn't be suprised if you didn't want to debate). Besides mexican is not even a race, its a nationality. do you even know what racism means? or do you just throw the word around when you have nothing else to say? the media is all about facts, i forgot. what i read from this is "you can show me evidence all day long but im still going to think what i want to". are you a creationist? or ID fan, because your approach to the evidence in political matters is very similar to thiers in scietific matters. Im waiting to see how many more times you call me a racist 1st, you drop the slander for no reason, and i'll drop the hyperbole.Edited by Artemis Entreri, : i proof read in the thread.

no problem, thanks for admitting it. i agree with you.its so hard not to troll when ppl let themselve create emotional responses on a friggin message board. there is evidence that even they migrated here. i'll take your word on this. i moved to Virginia in May of 2008. I can even vote here yet, i have no clue about the local scene. and that is the problem about making it a partisan issue. i bait democrats who want to jump into the democrat vs. republican game. but when you do this i can claim that the republicans (Lincoln) saved the country, and if civil rights comes up i can make the justified claim that republicans passed that act too. its okay you arent the 1st democrat to take the bait, its a practised bait over many different message boards. most baiters have a short attention span and want to elict a response on the 1st post, for the good trolls it more about a set up. you gave a fired up emotional response and easily took the bait.that is why i think its better to debate on a conservative / liberal, authoritative / libertarian scale. partisan stuff is a lot of BS.BTW i agree with your post here too. but you wanted to talk parties, and i couldn't resist the opportunity.YHBTbut im not a total asshole and since you have retracted i will try here as well.PS after these crazy 8 years, i wouldn't consider myself a republican anymore, and im not voting for either of these candiates. i have no clue. though ive never been a registered republican and have no problem jumping of the ship. If I am still a republican, im a Barry Goldwater Republican. Im guessing because they were always conservative and the democrats took a liberal shift. personally i wish they would have stayed democrats, then the conservatives would have had a choice when voting. i think the only conservative democrats left are ones in the house in northern rural states, i have voted for one before. im sorry but i honestly have no idea what you are asking, can you rephrase it or explain this backlash, its a bit vague to me.PPS no hard feelings but you walked right into that emotional response.Edited by Artemis Entreri, : huge contradiction

and i can point out several who where for it, whats your point?Knuck if you buck.

word. i dont think he has much chance. though mccain is so old he may not have much time left either, maybe its all about the VPs.not all rednecks are racist.

are you alluding to electing an african american? I'd vote for Colin Powell if that was the case (a true moderate). screw the rest of the world though. thats rather subjective as we could say the same about you, and the socialist left. blah blah. i dont vote based on what i think the rest of the planet will think about america. i never vote based on ignorance and bigotry. who would do that?

something tells me you are not a conservativeso you think the confederates were not conservative? Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

dangit, you are one of the more fun people to debate with on here. but i guess since i baited you once already your defense is up. ooh you got me on that one. i dont think he is a christian either, but like that matters. he is a socialist IMO, and I hated everything he did "for" Illinois. consider me in the same group as those texans who came out 8 years ago and said dont vote for this Bush guy he was our governor and he is no good. except im from Obama's "home" state. i agree.
I wouldn't vote for Obama for other reasons, mainly differences in political ideology. no i don't. national security is not a foreign issue. Trade is not as important if they "like" us or not. actually i dont think any reason you listed affects whether i care how somebody in another country feels about america, because they dont like us, and they are still trading with us, and they aren't invading us. i disagree, but we could be getting off topic. WTF are you talking about?

you can be honest and troll, i didn't use any fake data. what about devil's advocate? this i do not disagree with. im not voting for McCain, i thought i mentioned that already. based on your statements i dont think you know what a conservative is. the anti-federalists were conservative. no shit!?!I hope you have misread me, instead of trying to troll a troll. because:
"Thought you was gon' be spendin me I betcha think you sho' did
but game recognize game,
now you lame in the brain,
stupid bitch that's what you get for tryin to gold dig,"--Twista 1997 (focusing on the bolded text as i NOW realize you like to take me out of context and try to put words into my mouth and change my meaning around, I am not calling you a stupid bitch, nor lame in the brain. it was simply a quote to illustrate that game recognizes game.)otherwise i have no idea what you are talking about. i think you are trying to take me out of context, so i will tell you what that was all about.I was called a racist for saying mexico was bad. i stated mexico is a nation, and its people are mexican which is NOT A RACE, but a nationality. If i talked bad about Canadians would that be racist? of course not because Canadians is NOT A RACE either. because mexicans speak a different language than us does not make them a race.from the US Census department (not sure whose definition you use, but im going by this one): "People of Hispanic origin may be of any race and should answer the question on race by marking one or more race categories shown on the questionnaire, including White, Black or African American, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander, and Some Other Race. Hispanics are asked to indicate their origin in the question on Hispanic origin, not in the question on race, because in the federal statistical system ethnic origin is considered to be a separate concept from race." (U.S. Census Bureau: Page not found)mexican is not a color, mexican is not always a mestizo. would you consider American a race?ever heard of Dos Equis? IMO it is a really good mexican beer. originally brewed in veracruz, Mexico. by an Immgrant named Wilhelm Hasse (originally from Germany). sorry to break it to you, but not all mexicans are tan with dark hair and brown eyes.strawmaning my geographical knowledge into insinuating i was talking about New Mexico, was either a misread, or a horrible try.

yes.are you familiar with ebonics, or do you just think african american lingo is word salad?

here is my original line about NM in message #62: so contagious that liberals in here jump on me for the "so called" mistake by Rrhain. he put words into my mouth and insiuated something i did not say. and two others now have joined in, Ignorance is definately contagious. thanks for proving your own point. especially after i took time to relate the original context of our debate a second time.you guys are horrible at this strawman thing.Edited by Artemis Entreri, : to generalEdited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

what matters is not how may people jump on the misconception board, but afyter explaininging it twice people still did, and then taz had the nerve to break rule #10 on it with me even though he has no clue whatg the context of what i said was.