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riVeRraT
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Message 16 of 29 (271776)
12-22-2005 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Brian
12-22-2005 1:59 PM


Re: Judaism out, let's add Christianity
But it isn't accepted by the whole of Judaism
Yes, I pointed that out, and it was pointed out in the link.
As for the preists molesting kids, you seem to have missed the part where the article said "He has returned to ministry in Michigan. "
No I did not miss the part, I pointed out that I do not agree with Catholism. To me that is a big mistake to let him go back, another reason to not accept catholism as the way and the truth.
But if others want to accept that, that is their problem, not mine.
Also, I see you ignore the rites of exorcism, you know where the preacher murdered the little child. Are you saying that casting out demons is not part of Christianity?
Casting out, or beating out, please be clear, and do not mix the 2, because I know your about to.
The Catholic Church has more members than the rest of the 1500 plus denominations of Christianity put together. You cannot just say RC is wrong because you don't believe that they are 'correct'!
Yes I can, and I just did.
But you appear to miss the double standard here, you want to dismiss Judaism because ONE rabbi,
Read message 8
You cannot reject an entire faith based on the practise of one man, or the belief of one group, if you could you would need to reject Christianity because RC is not 'correct' in your mind.
Wrong, I can, and I do. RC is not the way, period.
The point of the OP was a joke, yet everyone missed it.
No matter how you slice it, a picture of a rabbi sucking a babies penis is proof positive that tradtion sucks.
Take it what ever way you want, but at least I learned a few things about a few of you, LMAO.

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Silent H
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Message 17 of 29 (271927)
12-23-2005 5:08 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by riVeRraT
12-22-2005 3:40 PM


Re: Tradition sucks, get it?
There is more too, but obviously it is not important to be circumcised anymore to in Christ. Being circumcised means zip, it is what is in your heart.
Thank you for posting the relevant passages which showed I was right. Did you not understand that I was saying circumcision means zip? Neither prescribed nor proscribed activity.
This does not change the fact that GOD at one point (before Jesus) certainly did ask people to be Circumcized. After Jesus it just doesn't seem to be necessary.
Just wonderful theology, no really. We should all follow your reasoning.
Okay, why don't you tell me why God wanted foreskins? I mean what does he need them for?

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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riVeRraT
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Message 18 of 29 (271941)
12-23-2005 7:19 AM
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12-23-2005 5:08 AM


Re: Tradition sucks, get it?
This does not change the fact that GOD at one point (before Jesus) certainly did ask people to be Circumcized. After Jesus it just doesn't seem to be necessary.
More specifically he asked someone to tell everyone else.
Okay, why don't you tell me why God wanted foreskins? I mean what does he need them for?
First answer this question.
Did God want foreskins, or did he want us not to have them?
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Message 19 of 29 (271963)
12-23-2005 9:23 AM
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12-23-2005 7:19 AM


Re: Tradition sucks, get it?
Did God want foreskins, or did he want us not to have them?
If he wanted us to not have them, then why did he create us with them in the first place?
(Note: only creationists need answer that question; evolutionists already have an answer)

Impeach Bush.

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Silent H
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Message 20 of 29 (271983)
12-23-2005 10:58 AM
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12-23-2005 7:19 AM


Re: Tradition sucks, get it?
First answer this question. Did God want foreskins, or did he want us not to have them?
Well it appears he wanted to have them. But I'm open for anything. Go ahead and explain it either way.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Ben!
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Message 21 of 29 (271985)
12-23-2005 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Brian
12-20-2005 7:45 AM


Re: Judaism out, let's add Christianity
So, now that you have shown Judaism to be repulsive and not recommended,
Let's be a little careful here. Nobody showed anything to be repulsive. If you find it repulsive, fine, but let's be careful to speak for ourselves and not for others.
I think what's being shown here is that scientific knowledge is useful in every day life and can augment religious beliefs. If you're making a false dichotomy between "religion and empirical knowledge" then yeah, you're going to reject all religions when discussing which thing will help you solve problems in this world.
That never seemed like the interesting discussion to me.
Ben

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Phat
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Message 22 of 29 (271989)
12-23-2005 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
12-19-2005 5:15 PM


First I've ever heard of it
Thats shocking! Thats the first that I've ever heard of the practice.
Da Rat writes:
The point of the OP was a joke, yet everyone missed it.
No matter how you slice it, a picture of a rabbi sucking a babies penis is proof positive that tradition sucks.
Take it what ever way you want, but at least I learned a few things about a few of you, LMAO.
Was this all a feeble attempt at humor? Thats not very nice, RR!
This topic is already about to be shut down!
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Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests.

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Silent H
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Message 23 of 29 (271995)
12-23-2005 11:35 AM
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12-23-2005 11:21 AM


Re: First I've ever heard of it
Thats shocking! Thats the first that I've ever heard of the practice.
I'm still a bit mystified. How is the sucking any more shocking than the mutilation, which is really well known? I mean once you butcher someone's genitals, what's the difference if you suck on the wound in a ritual to cleanse it?

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Ben!
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Message 24 of 29 (271999)
12-23-2005 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by riVeRraT
12-22-2005 3:51 PM


Re: Judaism out, let's add Christianity
No matter how you slice it, a picture of a rabbi sucking a babies penis is proof positive that tradtion sucks.
I think the fact that he baby died due to a failure to worry about herpes transmission is what sucked, not anything having to do with sucking blood from a penis. I find it sad that you're focused on something so small and cultural, rather than something ... bigger.
Like death.
Tradition doesn't suck. Culture doesn't suck. Failure to balance thinking and practice sucks. Failure to accept others sucks. Creating issues through intolerance sucks.
Lucky for you, I think intolerance is an important part of culture itself. So while you try to laugh at culture and tradition, it's actually the thing supporting your position. A real-life contradiction--culture and tradition truly do suck, but is what allows you to even realize that it does suck. And culture is an essential part of being human.
In other words, we all suck. What of it?
Take it what ever way you want, but at least I learned a few things about a few of you, LMAO.
Yeah, way to use the death of another to make your funny point. Real fucking funny.
Take a step outside yourself, turn around and round. Take a look at who you are. Pretty scary.
http://www.lyrics007.com/...0Lyrics/Turnaround%20Lyrics.html
To choose culture, or religion (they're part of each other in my eyes), you have to define what it is that you want. What is the goal.
What is the goal, RR? What should be maximized and protected, and what can be sacrificed to accomplish that?
I guess that choice is arbitrary.
Ben
P.S. holmes, I may be using the word "culture" improperly here again. I can't remember a better word.

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Silent H
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Message 25 of 29 (272009)
12-23-2005 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Ben!
12-23-2005 11:49 AM


Re: Judaism out, let's add Christianity
Tradition doesn't suck. Culture doesn't suck. Failure to balance thinking and practice sucks. Failure to accept others sucks. Creating issues through intolerance sucks.
Yay.
Real fucking funny.
(Eyebrows shoot up) Note to RR: Your conduct had to be pretty outrageous to elicit such a response.
holmes, I may be using the word "culture" improperly here again. I can't remember a better word.
Actually your usage looked fine to me.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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riVeRraT
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Message 26 of 29 (272387)
12-24-2005 7:54 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Silent H
12-23-2005 10:58 AM


Re: Tradition sucks, get it?
Genesis 17:10-12
10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner”those who are not your offspring.
That is why circumcision came about. Its a symbol between God and man, nothing more. God doesn't need foreskins to suck on.

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riVeRraT
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Message 27 of 29 (272389)
12-24-2005 8:09 AM
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12-23-2005 11:49 AM


Re: Judaism out, let's add Christianity
I think the fact that he baby died due to a failure to worry about herpes transmission is what sucked, not anything having to do with sucking blood from a penis. I find it sad that you're focused on something so small and cultural, rather than something ... bigger.
Yes, I focused on both of them, judge for yourself, and stop judging me.
Tradition doesn't suck.
Yes, it does suck, I showed you pictures of it, as well as showing that it sucks because that tradition was made by man, for whatever purpose he thought was viable, and now a baby is dead.
Yeah, way to use the death of another to make your funny point. Real fucking funny.
You best be careful Ben, I will be watching you now. I hope your not a hypocrite.
To be specific, I did not use the death of another to be funny. I used the tradition to make a joke, by showing a picture of a man performing a tradition of sucking a baby's penis, and pointing out that that tradition sucks. It was irony.
You made the reference to the dead person, not me.
The fact that no-one got it raises my eyebrow on the reading comprehension of people.
Lucky for you, I think intolerance is an important part of culture itself. So while you try to laugh at culture and tradition, it's actually the thing supporting your position.
No its not.
A real-life contradiction--culture and tradition truly do suck, but is what allows you to even realize that it does suck. And culture is an essential part of being human.
I guess millions of people dying is good, based on a tradition is good then.
If we all looked at people the way God look at us, we wouldn't have this problem, that is how I feel.
Don't get me wrong, I do not think all tradition sucks, but the traditions made by man for the selfishness of man does suck. I find that whole scene in those pictures just sick. Just like confessing to a Priest, and the control of the RC church in our society, Just like terrorists who fly planes into buildings.

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riVeRraT
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Message 28 of 29 (272390)
12-24-2005 8:11 AM
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12-23-2005 12:32 PM


Re: Judaism out, let's add Christianity
(Eyebrows shoot up) Note to RR: Your conduct had to be pretty outrageous to elicit such a response.
Then you are part of it, by claiming that God wants to suck on foreskins.
But its funny how only the Christian gets singled out.
Pointing fingers at me doesn't free yourself, Only Jesus can do that for you.

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Message 29 of 29 (272412)
12-24-2005 10:48 AM
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12-24-2005 8:11 AM


Terminal hemmoraging topic
This topic, though it may have started out as a joke, is failing miserably. RiverRat, if you have something to say, e-mail me.
Topic now closed.

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