Muslims and Pederasty

I had some misgivings about moving this topic for discussion. (I must not be the only one since it sat ignored for awhile).I felt, though, that it was better to force it out to be discussed. It seems that Pecos has no real support for the position and I hope that is shown up clearly by others.My choice is based on the idea that it is better to shine light on such things than try to pretend such bigoted attitudes done't exist.

It dosen't matter what distinction PG was making. It dosen't happen. Certainly at least in the parts of Arab culture I was exposed to growing up. The entire side of my family that is Muslim Arabs are 1000 times more sexually conservative than other side of my family which is Southern Baptist!I don't even care if there is some backwater sect of Islam that believes in this. It is not a generalization! Moreover it VERY DEFINITLY is not what goes on in your average Arab community.I don't care what you heard. I don't even care what you believe. You are wrong for thinking this is anyway related to the mainstream belief of Islam or a common practice among Arab culture.It is rediculious that we even have to have this conversation.

What's so vile about it?

Right. This cow dung of a piece of right propaganda needs to be shown to be the steaming pile of crap that it is.It would be like me saying that all Christians are all sick polygamous freaks just because of a few different religious beliefs that some people have in Utah.Just to be clear. I don't believe this but given that some people think polygamy is a sin could pull the same stunt that PG is doing and try to associate a belief from a group most Christians don't associate with thier own.It is all total garbage and I hope that anyone reading this board realizes that.

What is so vile?Don't get me wrong. I am not condemning homosexuality. I do not believe that it is my position to judge anyone for their sexual preference.What is vile about it is that it is sex with children. It wouldn't matter if it was heterosexual sex that was involved it is still a sick act that mostly all if not all modern cultures condemn and fight to expell from their socieity.Moreover, forcing sex on someone of any age is wrong to which also many cultures and religions agree.Please don't take my previous comment to be a condemnation of homosexuality.

Rape is vile. Abuse is vile. I don't see that this need be either. It's not something that would fit within our culture but that does not mean that it need be abusive within cultures in which it is practiced.

Fair enough. I believe it is vile. It is a personal belief.I also believe that this is shared between many people who share much of the same cultural influences as I. Given that, I believe the intent of PG's OP was to invoke an association between the Arab culture, which is predominantly Muslim, and an act that is generally considered a crime by the members of his target audience. In doing so I feel PG himself is being purposfully dishonest.Had he posted his message as the OP on a NAMBLA board I might have been less offended.

I'm not disagreeing with you; Pecos is quite clearly being purposefully dishonest, or at least reciting from someone who is.I suspect it's because American Christians increasingly see Muslims as a threat.

I figured you probably were not disagreeing with me on principle about PG and his motives but it seemed like you were trying to defend pederasty in light of other cultures who don't consider it a bad thing.It really suprises me that so many Christians really do feel afraid of Islam/Arabs especially since 9/11. If we are so sure about where we are going after death then why is there so much fear from the "value voters"?Maybe they only fear the spread of Islam in the same way that we once feared Communism? If that is the case though then they sure are not going to stop it by going into a mosque and saying, "Hey you pedophiles! You all need Jesus or you are going straight to hell!"

But, then you say. 1) So, just because you say that it doesn't happen does not mean it doesn't as you clearly expanded.
2) Outrage proves nothing and covers up alot.
3) I think that discussing things that people consider "taboo" can be achieved.
4) I can vouch for the "hearsay" that I posted. I have to call it hearsay because I was not physically in the room at the time of the interview.Personally, I agree with you that this is not what the "average", "mainstream", Muslim practices, but then I don't think that the "average", "mainstream" Catholic priest molests children. What you need to realize is Pecos George will get no further credence to his argument beyond the fact that homosexual acts (not seen as such by them) might be condoned by a certain group of Muslims in a specific context....so what? The pedophilia aspect of PG's post should be confirmed, if possible. If Pecos George is under the impression that this somehow makes Christianity better than Islam then he is a bigot BY DEFINITION.

I searched for information why a known pederast such as arafat was allowed to flourish and published the results thinking that people in return would publish their knowledge on the subject.
As for my preferred biases? Kindly wait until I inform you of what they are. Until then, your assumption is indicative of yours.This message has been edited by PecosGeorge, 12-01-2004 11:59 AM

Also fair enough. Forgive my rage. I meant to say, "It dosen't happen with any frequency and attribution to Islam by mainstram Muslims like PG is trying to make it sound like."Certainly I would believe that a SMALL group of people claiming to be Muslim would twist and distort a religion to justify it. Happens all the time here in the US.In all fairness, whether or not you can vouch for your hersay made it seem like you agree with PG. I don't care if someone you know said they saw something it does not lend credence to the original speculation that pederasty is prevalent in Islam. It simply is not.

PG:
Maybe I missed an actual reference for the "excerpt" this woman wrote?Making false generalizations about another religion/people and promoting misunderstanding and hate of those people based on a few puts you on equal footing with Osama bin Laden....congratulations that's the "Christian" spirit .

I agree with you and not PG.I was merely trying to point out to Schraf that to quote what the pope has to say or any other religious hierarchy does not in any way make it a fact (although I'm sure she is aware of this).I doubt pederasty is prevalent among Muslims, and regardless this is not a basis for hating ALL Muslims. I have since posted to PG.

And you went straight out and explored each and every avenue leading to your conclusion that first of all I am bigoted and second of all that this behavior does not exist and is tolerated in Islam the way it was done for arafat?
It seems you have no real support for your conclusions. Please take your finger off the button.