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Author Topic:   The Right Way to Debunk
ringo
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Message 22 of 148 (440318)
12-12-2007 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Kitsune
12-12-2007 12:43 PM


Re: Getting to the Source
LindaLou writes:
I do know that when someone here feels "ganged up" then the natural reaction is to go into defense mode.
Maybe it's just me... If I had several people at once telling me I was wrong and explaining how I was wrong, the thought would cross my mind that, hey, I might be wrong. I might even back off and rethink.

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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ringo
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Message 25 of 148 (440322)
12-12-2007 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Kitsune
12-12-2007 4:00 PM


Re: Getting to the Source
LindaLou writes:
In that case Ringo, I'd better get back to my Bible and throw out everything those nefarious evolutionists taught me because several creationists keep telling me I'm dead wrong.
I said they'd have to tell me how I was wrong. I doubt that any creationist is doing that.
I've also taken on several Bible-bangers at a time on the religious threads - but they all have the same arguments. Several opponents all saying the same thing only count as one.

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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ringo
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Message 36 of 148 (440495)
12-13-2007 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Kitsune
12-13-2007 12:36 PM


Re: in regards to lurkers
LindaLou writes:
New strategies will be very useful.
Russ Tanner's main strategy seems to be volume. Maybe you just need to learn to type faster.

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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ringo
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Message 120 of 148 (441446)
12-17-2007 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Kitsune
12-17-2007 5:27 PM


me kill irony
LindaLou writes:
Has it ever occurred to you that there may be a grain of truth here and there in what creationists say about their problems with certain aspects of evolutionary theory, independent of the blatant lies their leaders have told them?
My crystal ball tells me that you're only a short hop, skip and jump from becoming a creationist.
The Way™ to debunk is not just to learn what's wrong with creationist claims so you can refute them. You have to learn what's wrong with the way creationists think.
But you seem to think exactly the same way they do.
Metaphysician heal thyself.

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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ringo
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Message 130 of 148 (441661)
12-18-2007 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Kitsune
12-18-2007 2:55 AM


Re: me kill irony
LindaLou writes:
I was expecting someone here to say something like that.
I'm nothing if not prdictable.
Problem is, not being a theist, I'd have a hard time figuring out who created everything.
No problem. Then you're an IDist. Don't ask, don't tell who the creator/designer is.
Besides, nearly all of our creationist members "used to be" evolutionists. It seems to be an easy transition to make.
All I was actually saying is that when someone is "debunking," it's easy to go from the assumption that the debunkee is 100% mistaken.
I have the advantage of not knowing very much. I only debunk what I'm pretty sure is bunk. As a rule, if I don't point out your mistakes it's because I didn't know you made any. It's the whole weight of debunkings by debunkers who know about different things that convince me that the debunkee is close to 100% mistaken.
And indeed, you have to be careful in a debate if you concede anything to them at all, because they will take that, run with it, and possibly ignore everything else you say.
Ignore the bullets whizzing past your ears. I sometimes tell people that - in the context of ignoring (perceived) insults - but I think it applies to ignoring galloping Gishes too. Focus on your target. Don't worry about being a target.
I think that might be in the general vicinity of what Percy is trying to say in this thread.

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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