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Silent H
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Message 2 of 148 (439881)
12-10-2007 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
12-10-2007 4:21 PM


Actually I think that tactic has some merit, however...
"There is near universal acceptance of evolution by scientists, and we teach what scientists believe."
An opponent could point out that near universal, means that it is not universal, which logically means some scientists do not accept evolution. And if we are supposed to teach what scientists believe, shouldn't that include all of them?
Then they'd go on about how science is not stagnant, should not be, as once controversial theories go on to become near universal beliefs in the future.
I think the tactic you mention works to some degree to rob power from wholly fallacious comments, or rhetorical tactics to make the incredible seem credible, but wherever there is admitted wiggle room for error true believers (of any belief system) will latch on.
Edited by Silent H, : wherever

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Silent H
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Message 9 of 148 (439914)
12-10-2007 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Percy
12-10-2007 8:36 PM


Re: Ha!
Although I think a simple statement might be made to counter the example claim by a creo, I'm not certain the following is good...
A simple statement of, "Scientific journals will always publish good science,"
With the number of scientists complaining of peer review, and indeed I believe you and I have marveled at the same articles which have made it into journals, the above is a rather brazen and false assertion.
Perhaps a more direct response, might be to ask essentially what I've been trying to get since I've been here... What research won't they allow to be published?
{AbE: Maybe this would be a better choice...
"Strong theories with solid evidence have historically convinced the majority of scientists of their utility."}
Edited by Silent H, : AbE

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Silent H
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Message 11 of 148 (440124)
12-11-2007 4:11 PM
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12-11-2007 8:59 AM


Re: Ha!
Not sure if you caught my AbE. I realized afterward that my question would lead to the dilemma you just outlined. Let me retool the AbE again, this time against the question you posed here...
Q: "Why the heck won't scientists let creationists publish their research?"
A: Controversial research and theories have historically gained broader publication and acceptance as their practical predictive power is proven with a growing body of evidence.

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