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Author Topic:   The Right Way to Debunk
Buzsaw
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Message 53 of 148 (440871)
12-15-2007 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Percy
12-10-2007 7:06 PM


Percy writes:
Another example: A creationist keeps saying, "More and more scientists are recognizing the bankruptcy of evolution and are accepting the truth of creation." Naturally the repetitions won't be worded identically, and the repetitions wouldn't necessarily be in consecutive posts and could be interspersed with other facets of the discussion, but if he won't drop into discussion mode on this point then detailed repeated rebuttals of his position are actually counterproductive because they, apparently according to the research, only indicate to people that something must be rotten in Denmark.
The correct response would therefore be, "Almost all scientists accept evolution," with no acknowledgment or even hint of the details of the argument from the other side.
Percy, I like your proposals in the OP for the most part and actually have found that what you are advocating above works for me as well as a Biblical creationist. For example, I have three or four hyper-active seemingly 24/7 members (with time on their hands who must be either smothering in $$, on disability benefits or on welfare) who tag along behind me with anything I post so as to post something; anything that might resemble a response, quite often with narry a smidget of substance pertaining to effective refutation of my message.
I've come to the realization that there are a segment of members on both sides of the ideological isle in these forums who are eating up the energy, time and effort of their interlocutors (new word for my vocabulary from Wounded King:cool so as to cause me to be obligated to refute nonsense which leaves me with little or no time to actually go on the offensive and gain yardage for ideology which I espouse.
The problem is if I go with your proposal, they allege I'm running. Well, with one or two of them, yah, I'm running, and will continue to run until they stop me with an obstacle substantial enough to merit a response.
Edited by Buzsaw, : forgot to check spelling

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 54 of 148 (440875)
12-15-2007 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Kitsune
12-14-2007 4:08 PM


Re: Off Topic Quickie Greeting
Off topic, but hi, Lindalou. I was afraid we lost you. Glad you're still with us.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 55 of 148 (440877)
12-15-2007 1:02 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Percy
12-14-2007 12:04 PM


Re: The irony is killing me
Percy writes:
Alternative medicine is stuck at the same level of progress as 50 and 100 years ago, and will still be stuck just where it is now 50 and 100 years from today, because alternative medicine doesn't seek good evidence and so can't make any progress.
Percy, obviously you've not been privy to the mushrooming of the science on the alternatives, to the point that many MDs who's interests are to their patients more than their own pockets are integrating into their practice, MDs like Dr. Julian Whitaker, who owns the largest alternative Wellness Clinic in America. The science on alternatives is advancing to a far greater extent than the science of conventional medicine as per the medical journals which Deborah Ray and others continually reference in their radio talk shows. Do you ever listen to them and have you actually applied/tested their methodology to/by your own personal healthcare as we have?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 70 of 148 (440954)
12-15-2007 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Percy
12-15-2007 8:05 AM


Re: Debunking Formats
Percy writes:
It is now time for the creationist to revert to merely stating his position until the evolutionist gives some indication of wanting to move the discussion forward, e.g.:
How about something like this for debate format:
Paulk: "Everyone knows that you are running away on yourt assertion that the Flood messed up all the dating methods....."
Buz: The Buzsaw position is that if there was a ww flood, the water had to come from someplace. The Biblical flood model clearly implicates a pre-flood canopy atmosphere which was the source of the water.
PaulK: "that prove that the Earth is old."
Buz: The Buzsaw position is that the age of the earth is unknown according to the Biblical model as stated repeatedly and that nothing of this sort is ever proven by either side.
Paulk: "........there is no substance to your assertion."
Buz: The Buzsaw position is that since the Biblical flood model clearly implies a substantially different atmosphere than post flood, dating methods based on modern atmospheric properties and arrangements would not accurately calculate things pertaining to the Biblical model to which creationist's hold.
Paulk: "But you lack the honesty......."
Buz: The Buzsaw position is that proponents of each model be allowed to debate according to their own model and their interpretation of what is observed relative to their model.
The Buzsaw position is to show a reasonable amount of respect to members debating different models than their own.
Edited by Buzsaw, : show Percy quote

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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