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Didn't I answer the question though? If became alive when the experience ended, after being clinically dead, then logically they must have been brain dead for somewhat of the experience.
1) You have not shown any evidence that any of the people who experience NDE's actually are BRAIN dead, as opposed to clinically dead.
As in, have any of these people been hooked up to an EEG or had an MRI to demonstrate a lack of any and all brain activity? If someone's heart has stopped beating and their breathing has stopped, they will not be moving, but this does not mean that all brain activity has stopped.
You can't tell just by looking at them.
2) You still have absolutely no evidence, so therefore no reason to conlude, that the NDE happened at any specific time. That's my question; How do you know WHEN the NDE experience happened?
That is a claim that needs evidence to support it, and right now you have none.
3) NDE's have been induced in an experimental context. Read more here:
near-death
experience (NDE) - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
Dr. Karl Jansen has reproduced NDEs with ketamine, a short-acting, hallucinogenic, dissociative anaesthetic.
The anaesthesia is the result of the patient being so 'dissociated' and 'removed from their body' that it is possible to carry out surgical procedures. This is wholly different from the 'unconsciousness' produced by conventional anesthetics, although ketamine is also an excellent analgesic (pain killer) by a different route (i.e. not due to dissociation). Ketamine is related to phencyclidine (PCP). Both drugs are arylcyclohexylamines - they are not opioids and are not related to LSD. In contrast to PCP, ketamine is relatively safe, is much shorter acting, is an uncontrolled drug in most countries, and remains in use as an anaesthetic for children in industrialised countries and all ages in the third world as it is cheap and easy to use. Anaesthetists prevent patients from having NDE's ('emergence phenomena') by the co-administration of sedatives which produce 'true' unconsciousness rather than dissociation.*
According to Dr. Jansen, ketamine can reproduce all the main features of the NDE, including travel through a dark tunnel into the light, the feeling that one is dead, communing with God, hallucinations, out-of-body experiences, strange noises, etc. This does not prove that there is no life after death, but it does prove that an NDE is not proof of an afterlife.
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The evo doesn't have to answer to anyone.
Of course we do. We answer to the evidence and to the rules of logic and rational inquiry, just like everybody else.
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It's 1 on the crowd for the creo, and the crowd on the 1 for the evo.
Yup, sure is. Too bad for you, isn't it? Sorry that your claims are being examined so well. Perhaps you'd rather we just ignore you?
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So surely you can see that I cannot respond to every whim in the evo machine?
Look, asking you to support your position with evidence is not a "whim". It's the rules of debate here, remember?
If you make a claim, expect it to get examined nine ways to Sunday, and expect any weaknesses, like lack of empirical support, to be exposed. That's what we do here.
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