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jar
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Message 61 of 90 (285645)
02-10-2006 2:30 PM
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02-10-2006 2:16 PM


Re: the Scythians
There has been a lot of news recently as well as research on the Scythians, including a recent treasure find that was astounding. Over the last 50 years or so we've learned a lot about the Scythians, and it certainly seems they were an Indo-European group that likely migrated from China or India into the area North of the Black Sea.

No where though is there any indication of a connection between the Lost Tribes and the Scythians.

But again, that has nothing to do with the OP.

No where in the Declaration is there any indication that the Scots believed they were descended from one of the Lost Tribes.

AbE: Link to the entry on the Scythians from the Hermitage Museum.

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Message 62 of 90 (285648)
02-10-2006 2:38 PM
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02-10-2006 1:18 PM


Re: No Ray, once again it does not say what you assert.
Sycthians means sons of Isaac (Dr. Scott). All opposition in this thread simply asserts contrary to what the evidence plainly dictates. Here we have Darwinists, persons claiming to be loyal to evidence, asserting contrary to Dan's mark across Eurasia.

do you have any facts to link the sycthians to the sons of isaac at all? one mans word is not evidence of anything
heres a real link on them http://www.factspider.com/sc/scythian.html

so my saying you arn't bothering to read what things mean to the people in question is somehow wrong ray?
do you know what dun means in irish? it means hillfort how in the world can you relate that to a biblical figure?

The point is the Scots are CLAIMING ancestry from Israel, but then again all opposition here is basically consistent in the fact that they believe human evolution which has not one prima facie fact in support.

no they are not they are basing the timing of their ancesters coming to scotland to the same time the hewbrews crossed the red sea, where can you read that as they are claiming ancestry from israel?
this is total BS ray pot shots at evolution show that you can't make reasoned arguements
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Message 63 of 90 (285655)
02-10-2006 3:03 PM
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Re: the Scythians
That's not much of a link. You have something that shows the reasons for why such and such claim is made?
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Message 64 of 90 (285657)
02-10-2006 3:07 PM
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Re: the Scythians
The claim is that the Declaration in the OP says that the Scots asserted that they were descendants of a Lost Tribe.

Anything else is OT clyde.


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Message 65 of 90 (285659)
02-10-2006 3:11 PM
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02-10-2006 3:07 PM


Re: the Scythians
Uh, you are making specific claims about the Scythians, right? So shouldn't you back them up?

The links you provided thus far are not very detailed.


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Message 66 of 90 (285661)
02-10-2006 3:14 PM
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02-10-2006 3:11 PM


randman dances again
The subject is the Declaration in the OP.

ray writes:

"Most Holy Father and Lord, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous. Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today."

Where is the assertion that the Scots thought they were descendants of a Lost Tribe?


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Message 67 of 90 (285663)
02-10-2006 3:18 PM
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Re: randman dances again
jar, you running from your claims now? The OP mentions the SCythians and you argued based on who the SCythians were, and are now backtracking.

Why?


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Message 68 of 90 (285671)
02-10-2006 3:30 PM
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Re: randman dances again
I have pointed to documentation of who the Scythians were. You may not accept those but so what? Here is yet another reference.

There is nothing in the OP that shows that the Scots considered the Scythians to be one of the Lost Tribes.

There is nothing in the Declaration in the OP that says the Scots thought they were descended from one of the Lost Tribes.

Every reference I've provided says that the Scythians lived in the Black Sea region BEFORE the Assyrians carted off the Hebrews.

What's your point?


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Message 69 of 90 (285691)
02-10-2006 5:18 PM


London = LonDAN

1Chron. 2:6

The sons of Zerah were Zimri, Ethan, Heman, Calcol, and Darda

Brutus/British = son of Darda/DARDANUS, son of Judah, founded Troy.

Brutus made his way to the Isles via ships controlled by DANites.

Judges 5:17

Gilead abode beyond Jordan: and why did Dan remain in ships?

This is why many rivers and port locales have the name "DAN" in them.

Ray

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Message 70 of 90 (285694)
02-10-2006 5:28 PM


In Genesis 38, Zarah, a birthright twin, was born.

His descendants made their way to Spain after being ejected from the Delta by a "Pharoah who knew not Joseph."

http://www.red2000.com/spain/zaragoza/

ZARAgoza, Spain

"Old Iberians" = Iberia/Ibrew/Hebrew.

Hebrew means "wanderer" as they wandered all over Eurasia and founded Western culture. Didn't know any of this ? = power of Satan as seen in his ability to control secular historians from reporting these facts. Either way the Bible is proven true: Satan or Hebrews in Europe.

Ray

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Message 71 of 90 (285698)
02-10-2006 5:51 PM
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keep it coming
Interesting stuff. I sort of wonder why people in the Caucuses and in Spain were both called Ibernians, but maybe the Hebrew angle is the answer.

Then again, the standard explanations dismiss Ibernian as referencing Hebrews.

got some more links and data?


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Message 72 of 90 (285701)
02-10-2006 5:59 PM
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02-10-2006 5:28 PM


By that reasoning.....
.....you have created a piece of evidence for the Scots being the Hebrews. You say

"Old Iberians" = Iberia/Ibrew/Hebrew.

I would change that and add two letters

"Old Iberians" = Iberia/Ibrew/IRNbrew/Hebrew.

Gosh, Irnbrew, sounds like IrnBru, the favourite tipple of the Scots. Therefore the Scots must be Hebrews! Wow! ROFLMAO :laugh:


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Message 73 of 90 (285720)
02-10-2006 6:42 PM
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02-07-2006 7:18 PM


Why would anybody care?
The Scots are claiming to be ancestors of scattered 10 tribe Israel.

So what if they are?

Are you claiming infallibility for some old document produced for political reasons?


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Message 74 of 90 (285753)
02-10-2006 8:44 PM
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02-10-2006 5:51 PM


Re: keep it coming
Interesting stuff. I sort of wonder why people in the Caucuses and in Spain were both called Ibernians, but maybe the Hebrew angle is the answer.

History, and the Apocrapha, loses the lost tribes at the Caucuses Mountains, hence the term "caucasain"/light skinned semetics/SHEMites. The term "semitic" and its derivatives proves the Patriarch lived.

There is no "Hebrew angle" it is a massive fact of history that secular has "suppressed" (Romans 1:18 NewKJV).

Hebrew/Hibernia/Ibernia = evolution of the word.

Hibernia was the original name of Ireland. Where did the only red-race originate from ?

Heremon married the last remaining daughter of Zedekiah, who was overlooked by Nebuchadnezzar when he killed all the male heirs to the throne of David. God's law said if all the males had expired then the daughters could inherit. Jeremiah transported this princess to Ireland by way of Egypt and Spain.

1Samuel 16:12

And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he.

Speaking of David and his appearance: ruddy, it means "reddish". Zedekiah's daughter was the last of the Davidic line: explains the true origin of the only red-race.

The current British throne = descendants of David.

Check this link out:

www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=1&t=254&m=46#54 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=1&t=254&m=46#54">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=1&t=254&m=46#54

Ray


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Message 75 of 90 (285754)
02-10-2006 8:46 PM
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Totally off-topic
Hey, Ray, do you post on www.jayreding.com? Thought I saw a post that reminded me of your writing style.
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