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crashfrog
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Message 5 of 72 (382236)
02-03-2007 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dubious Drewski
02-03-2007 7:13 PM


My concern is that I see myself as a headstrong and naive guy who's got alot to learn, but at the same time, I cannot find flaws in my thinking.
Then you don't know enough. You need to expose yourself to new experiences and information.
What can I expect in the future?
That you'll have experiences that directly contradict what you think is true about the world. If I were you I'd seek those out as soon as possible. Foreign travel, perhaps? Or read a book on a subject you haven't studied extensively.
(Muhammed cartoons, anyone?)
What harm was caused by that speech? And can't enforced censorship cause harm, too?
Certain things such as hard determinism(Every physical action is caused by some prior action)
Well, that's mostly true, but there are exceptions. For instance, atoms decay at random.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1487 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 8 of 72 (382266)
02-03-2007 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Dubious Drewski
02-03-2007 10:55 PM


So as you can see, I'm actively looking for new views on my life.
So you are, and I think you're very likely to see dividends from that. Will it always be sudden, road-to-Damascus moments where your perspective is irrevocably changed? Or will illumination for you be gradual?
Who knows? Let the evidence guide you. The odds that you're in for no more surprises at age 23 are low, to say the least. Are you married? You're in for one there, let me tell you.
And I believe the saying goes "Your right to swing your fist ends where my face begins" <-- to.
I'm familiar with the cartoons to which you were referring, which is why I'm having trouble understanding your position on the subject. I see it as two related moral acts - the creation of the cartoons by the cartoonists, and the violent response of some of those who were offended.
The first I don't have a problem with. Many of the cartoons told uncomfortable truths and expressed genuine viewpoints. But responding to offensive statements with violence is always wrong.
For me, it's not yet clear who is the fist and who is the nose, in your view. Maybe this isn't on topic, exactly.
Just because no cause for atomic decay can be found, it does not prove that none exists.
True, but it's very suggestive that the most accurate models in QM are the ones that purport no deterministic underlying hidden causes.
For everything in existence to follow the rules of determinism except for atoms themselves is a bit strange.
"Everything but atoms" seems a little bit like an understatement. Atoms are everything, everything physical anyway, so "atoms" encompasses a considerable majority of "things" in the universe. Coarse determinism as we perceive it may simply be an emergent property of fine randomness at the lowest levels.
Eh, neither one of these are the topics of discussion. I bring them up only as positions you take which I see as assailable, and which you may want to discuss if being proven wrong is your goal.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1487 days)
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From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 44 of 72 (434625)
11-16-2007 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Archer Opteryx
11-16-2007 12:50 PM


Re: In hindsight...
Necro? What is this 'Necro'?

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