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Author Topic:   On this day, let us all be proud of America
Chiroptera
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Message 53 of 280 (495151)
01-21-2009 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by petrophysics1
01-20-2009 6:33 PM


Re: Back to reality
I'm impressed, the same country with a majority who don't accept the TOE, voted for an empty suit.
Yeah, unlike the country who voted for Bush in the last couple of elections, whose majority did accept the TOE.
Do you even try to make sense any more?

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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Chiroptera
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Message 61 of 280 (495180)
01-21-2009 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by kuresu
01-21-2009 10:10 AM


Re: Back to reality
Well, petrophysics1 does have a point that the Republicans do stand a chance to get back into power. I doubt that Obama will be able to effectively solve all of the problems that are being handed to him by the Bush Administration, especially since, pace Buzsaw, Obama is too much a centrist to take really bold action.
So what might happen is that in 4 years (or perhaps even in 2), people are going to blame Obama for failing to solve the problems and vote back in the other side, despite the fact that they are the very people who created those problems in the first place.
Sounds crazy, but as pp1 pointed out, this is a country where a lot of people can't even accept basic scientific facts and who did manage to elect Bush in 2004 despite the failures of his first term (and even almost elected him in 2000).

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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Chiroptera
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Message 69 of 280 (495222)
01-21-2009 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by petrophysics1
01-21-2009 2:10 PM


Re: Back to reality
Please provide for me the quote where I said the intelligence of the American electorate has changed since I started following American Politics in 1960.
Right after you provide the quote where I said that you said that.

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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Chiroptera
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Message 99 of 280 (495408)
01-22-2009 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by subbie
01-20-2009 12:52 AM


Today, we inaugurate an African-American as President of these United States.
I have to admit that I am pleasantly surprised. I'm not shocked that a black man was elected President of the US -- I felt that Colin Powell would have had a decent shot at it if he weren't a member of a party too dominated by its lunatic fringes to nominate someone someone who had a shred of intelligence or sanity.
I would have expected Powell, a conservative black man, to be considered the "safe type" of black man to elect. I am very surprised (and could probably go into shock if I were to think about it more) that we have managed to elect a black President who, if not actually liberal, is at least is widely seen as a liberal.
I am also pleasantly surprised that the attempt to swift boat him (that Jeremiah Wright/Bill Ayers nonsense) never really got any traction. So there are several reasons to hope, just maybe hope, that American political society may be growing up just a little.

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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Chiroptera
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Message 102 of 280 (495446)
01-22-2009 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by homunculus
01-22-2009 4:20 PM


Re: eehhh....
...i don't think that its OK to advocate this guy, knowing so little about him, just because he is black.
And since very few, if any, people advocated for Obama because he's black, you must be feeling pretty relieved.
Noting that the election of a black President in the US, which has a long history of racism (a history which still isn't over, by the way), is a positive development is not the same thing as advocating for him "just because he's black".
Edited by Chiroptera, : Awkward grammar

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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Chiroptera
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Message 109 of 280 (495478)
01-22-2009 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Buzsaw
01-22-2009 8:14 PM


Re: Nonsense?
All I'm doing is extending subbie's point in his OP. He is pointing out (he can correct me if I'm wrong) that it is a remarkable event that a nation that has a long tradition of racism has finally elected a black American to its top leadership position. I was pointing out that it was an even remarkable feat considering all the other factors that were in play, like the Republicans' attempt to use his relationship with Ayers and Wright against him, a tactic that has worked for them in the past.

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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Chiroptera
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Message 177 of 280 (496146)
01-26-2009 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Jazzns
01-26-2009 12:17 PM


Re: Does the Military Know Best?
What I find interesting is whenever a conservative is speaking against some government program or policy they yap about how we can't trust the gubmint to do anything right or to do anything well.
Suddenly, though, we are expected to accept that the government, without the oversight of a public trial, can be expected to correctly determine whether someone is innocent or guilty.
Edited by Chiroptera, : typo

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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Chiroptera
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Message 235 of 280 (498665)
02-12-2009 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by riVeRraT
02-11-2009 11:47 PM


One thing for sure is that the liberal kiss-ass media well never portray him [Obama] as being wrong.
Oh my freaking god! You know, I've kept in touch with the liberal media all during the election and after. Constantly, the liberal media was pointing out how Obama isn't going to automatically implement progressive policies, and that we are going to have to keep the pressure on him if we really want him to implement the reforms that we want and to keep the promises, explicit and implicit, that he made.
You really need to get out of that right wing echo chamber that you live in and look at what is happening in the real world.

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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Chiroptera
Inactive Member


Message 240 of 280 (498739)
02-13-2009 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by riVeRraT
02-13-2009 8:33 AM


Well I never heard that, not once.
That's because you don't read anything written by actual liberals or anyone else on the left. If you want to know what real liberals think, I can offer some suggestions, like reading The Nation. Or you can just continue to watch TV and pretend that it represents "liberal" thinking.
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I am not saying that the liberal media is going to praise him 100% of the time.
Actually, that is exactly what you did say.
When your communication consists mainly of hyperbole and snarky comments, there is apt to be some kind of miscommunication. Maybe if you were to actually try to make your points using reason and facts rather than appeals to emotion and hyperbole.
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I seriously thought they were going to make out before the interview was over.
Okay, you see, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I have no idea what you actually saw and so it is difficult to even begin to know how to respond.
That said, considering that we have just finished with the worst President since WWII, maybe even since the founding of the Republic, I can believe that some people are excited about having a real President who is actually intelligent, cares about people, and who might even be able to put together rational public policies -- excited enough to get carried away in their own hyperbolic statements.
I might also suggest that you don't get your news from TV. Sound bites given by politicians and PR people and reporters reading the press releases given to them verbatim isn't really "news".
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I get the feeling that bi-partisanship in the minds of the Republicans, is to meet the dem's half-way, and bi-partisanship in the eyes of the dem's is for the rebup's to give into them.
Does anyone else here like Tom Tomorrow?

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