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How hard would it have been to get a fake birth certificate in Hawaii in 1961 that would pass as authentic today and falsely convince people that he was born there?

Well, not ANY US President.Jimmy Carter's family was in Georgia for generations. Assuming his parents never left the country, how could he have not been born here? Interestingly enough, he was the first president born in a hospital.I'd say that McCain's birthplace is about as questionable as Obama's....But I'm under the impression that Hawaii was notorious for handing out fake birth certificates at that time. I've also heard that Obama's grandmother said that she witnessed his birth in Kenya (although I haven't verified it and honestly, I haven't looked into the whole thing very deeply yet. I've only recently become interested.)For people like Mccain and Obama, whose parents were known to be out of the country around the time of their birth, there's more reason to doubt it than for someone like Carter.I thinks its highly possible that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. But like I said, I haven't looked into it enough to have an opinion on whether or not he was.

Ho....Ly.....Shit.That couldn't be more spot on.For those who think that people didn't vote for him because he's black, listen to this hilarity:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAgor what about this retard:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

Does anyone else get the impression that this administration is saying:"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."Quote Details: Ronald Reagan: The nine most terrifying... - The Quotations Page

If you spent it on drugs, prostitutes, and gambling, then it wouldn't make back into the economy, would it?Just sayin'

Since when are they? There was no assumption like that in my post. It was a very simple if-then stated as a question.

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If you spent it on drugs, prostitutes, and gambling, then it wouldn't make back into the economy, would it?

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Why do you assume that I am assuming that?I even put that "just sayin'" in there so you'd know that I was just answering your question and nothing more. From my admittedly limited sample size of people on food stamps (East St. Louis), there's a proportionally higher amount of drugs, prostitutes and gambling. Nope. Morality has nothing to do with it whatsoever. So you can push me into a position and throw stones at me?Do you really enjoy that? It might say something about your character. I suppose that could be. But if I wanted to buy drugs or prostitues, the easiest place for me to find them would be East St. Louis, right on the street. And that's where the people with less disposable income live. That correlation doesn't necessary imply causation though.But it seems that the people who don't use drugs, prositutes, and gambling are the ones who have the more disposable income.So I dunno. But this isn't the thread to work all that out. No. Now you're just being an asshole.

Riverrat said that people on food stamps will receive a $250 check. I don't even know if that is true or not, but if so, would that money even have to be spent on food?Funny thing about foodstamps, I've had people offer to sell me their food stamps before so they could have cash to spend on other stuff. Nowadays, though, everything is done with the LINK card.

From Message 270Really!? Wow. Try reading what I actually wrote instead of what you want me to have written. You're just vilifying your opponent by putting words into their mouths so you can have something to argue against. Its called trolling.In Message 263 you asked:

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I just heard as part of the stimulus, they are going to be giving $250 checks to people on food stamps. Makes wonder just what they will spend the money on. If it will actually make it back into our economy.

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Where the hell else is it going to go?

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You seemed to be unable to think of a way to spend money here in the states without it making its way back into the economy. I was just offering examples that would do that. I wasn't implying anything about anything else. All that you invented and ascribed to me. Its dishonest and shameful. What do you think RR meant by "making it back into our economy"?Of course you could argue that every dollor is technically a part of the economy, but that doesn't have anything to do with what RR was questioning. How does buying crack off of a street corner in East St. Louis contribute to the economy?From Message 271: Nothing. There is no implication. It was just a funny thing that I was mentioning. Yeah, pretty much. Not everything has to have a point. I can weave simple point-less comments into my posts for plenty of reasons. If all you want to do is troll, then I guess I'll feed you for a bit.If you're going to be an asshole, then I'm gonna call you an asshole.

So, RR was wrong and its not just a $250 check that people will be getting (like cash). Oh sure, the way it was presented was that I was going to be spending my money of food anyways, so why not give them the money and use the stamp.But if you're going to give people cash, then don't you agree that it won't necessarily make it back into the economy because if people spend the cash on things like drugs and prostitutes* then that is not going back into the economy. Or am I wrong? What about saving the money instead of spending it? That doesn't make it back into the economy, does it?*for those who can't help but ascribe implications as they read, you could change 'spending it on drugs and prostitutes' to 'letting it sit in a savings account'

You reap what you sow. Okay, so every dollar that is spent on anything contributes to the economy. You could certainly argue that against RR's question of wondering if the money will make it back into the economy but it fails to acknowledge the distinction that RR has made between money that simple contributes to the economy because it is a dollar spent and money that makes it back into the economy and actually helps stimulate it in a positive direction (which is what I think he was getting at). Its that the money doesn't make it back into the economy, as in it is removed from the equation and doesn't help stimulate it in a positive direction.If the money is just cycled around locally I don't see how it could help stimulate the whole economy. Not exactly. If someone asks a question, then it could be answered without actually furthering the debate while not doing 'nothing' to further it. Also, not every single thing that you type has to further the debate. There's a place for catty comments too. Oh, boo-fucking-hoo. Go cry me a river.