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Author Topic:   On this day, let us all be proud of America
anglagard
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Message 117 of 280 (495501)
01-23-2009 4:17 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by homunculus
01-22-2009 8:38 PM


Re: matter of fact
homunculus writes:
well, yea, i think a large number of people did vote for obama.
It is more accurately referred to as the majority of voters.
he had the support of obviously most democrats, which consequently happen to be a majority of Atheist evolutionists, then he had majority vote from blacks, other minorities, women and off culture subjectives, like homosexuals. together, and inexhaustibly active, they compare in number to normal conservative Americans. thanks!
I am still registered Libertarian yet voted for Obama (finally voted for someone who actually won since 1976). My two main workers also voted for Obama after voting for Bush twice. If that is not enough to make your oversimplistic categorization of individuals warranted, I'm sure that you will find that the majority of Christians and others who believe in God, as myself, on this board also believe in evolution due to overwhelming evidence.
I am also puzzled by your use of the term 'normal' conservative. Does your definition of conservative mean spending tax money like a drunken sailor (or 'airman') like Bush as opposed to fiscal conservatism? Does your definition mean to open national parks to mineral exploitation as opposed to conservation of natural resources as in Theodore Roosevelt mean conservative? Does the great desire to interfere with other nations regardless of actual threat as Bush employed against the clear meaning of Washington's farewell address mean conservative? Does the allowance of corporate corruption and complete lack of oversight, once again in opposition to the aforementioned TR, along with Taft, the true essence of conservatism? Does torture for 'fun' and the destruction of civil liberties the essence of what it means to be conservative?
Was William F. Buckley a chicken farmer or an Ivy league elitist?
So who would be the 'normal' conservative in your definition?
Porfirio Diaz?
Edited by anglagard, : provide link for those too intellectually lazy to look something up.
Edited by anglagard, : add a space before Buckley sentence for emphasis. also replaced goat with chicken before farmer as a Palin 'wink' to those who are literate in historical studies.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 836 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 137 of 280 (495704)
01-24-2009 1:27 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Buzsaw
01-23-2009 9:08 PM


Re: Be Reminded
Buz, I think you really need to study some basic principles of the enlightenment that led to the founding of the USA.
If one person is not allowed to speak freely simply because a majority of others do not like what they have to say, then ultimately no one has free speech.
If one person is not allowed to worship freely because a majority of others do not agree with their religion, then ultimately no one has freedom of religion.
If one person is denied legal representation and is imprisoned without trial, then ultimately no one has the freedom to be represented and anyone can be imprisoned without trial.
Are you, as a conservative within your definition of what that means, an opponent of the Constitution of the United States of America?
There is a word to describe an opponent of the Constitution of the United States of America who still lives in this nation and benefits from its laws.
Hint.
It was used during the Civil War.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
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Message 165 of 280 (496025)
01-25-2009 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Buzsaw
01-25-2009 7:29 PM


The Classic Argument Against Democracy
Buzsaw writes:
Imo, the military knows better who's innocent and who's not. What would be the military's motivation for rounding up innocents?
I can't believe how bad you just stepped in it, but stepped in it you just did.
How often in history have we heard this argument, the military, not the rule of civilians, knows best who is guilty and who is innocent.
Need I go through the litany of every example?
Buz, your apparent hatred of the enlightenment, democracy, human progress, and indeed human decency has now led you to to be an advocate of military dictatorship against not just the entire Constitution of the United States of America but also the American and all other people worldwide who live and prosper under the benefits of democracy.
Ask your god for mercy, for in this case as a US Army veteran, I have none.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 836 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 170 of 280 (496081)
01-26-2009 3:32 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by homunculus
01-26-2009 2:38 AM


Re: re-al check, you guys
homunculus writes:
Just a heads up when talking about the government/courts/congress/president/military. If you get an idea that they (most/all) are not entirely corrupt, both financially and Judicially, there is millions of people out there dying to educate you.
I'll admit, I'm a little sore about this current election. I disagree with most of, well, everything about it. Point is, big brother is not all good. In fact, I'm debating with myself/others about whether even having a central government is fundamental in a country. I believe there should be laws, application of laws and a military defense. But these guys have way too much power, way too much agenda and do way too many, obvious, crooked things. Both republican and democrat alike.
So register Libertarian if you object to big brother. Personally I'm leaving after 22 years because they don't object enough IMO so perhaps you could restore some balance to the universe.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 836 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 258 of 280 (499280)
02-18-2009 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 257 by RAZD
02-18-2009 12:01 AM


Re: One simple rule of economics
MV=PQ
such that
M = money supply
V = velocity (number of times average dollar is spent)
P = price level
Q = physical volume of all goods and serves produced
MV = total amount of money spent on purchases
PQ = total amount received by sellers of output
M = money supply
V = velocity (number of times average dollar is spent)
RAZD writes:
The economy is the movement of value between people. Having 3 billion millionaires that don't spend money is not an economy, 1 person spending a buck to buy something from someone else is.
This is why the "trickle-down" theory is false, and why it resulted in the failure of the economy ... from the bottom up.
Enjoy.
Yes indeed Monetarism, which Greenspan rejected and Volker proved to be right as the destroyer of stagflation.
The problem with the economy is as simple as V, and as complex as human behavior. The destruction of the economy is as simple as placing all wealth in the super rich, who do little or nothing to help the 'V' in the equation.
Of course the dumbasses in Congress (primarily Republican) are incapable of understanding this equation just as they do not understand investments in science, technology, and education are the primary way to increase productivity, the only way to grow an economy other than population growth {abe} in the US {/ABE}(as in immigrants, legal or not).
{ABE} I eagerly await any purported disproofs of my 'simplistic' understanding of economics, be it here or any other venue.
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Edited by anglagard, : format
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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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