On this day, let us all be proud of America

How can I rejoice when we are about to see a secret muslim agent being sworn into the highest office in this country?

Fraking Alabama, the fraking south? Last september I drove through the south. I must have listened to a dozen or so evangelical radio stations all saying Obama was a fraking cylon... I mean a fraking muslim. The amount of bigotry/racism down there by so-called "men of god" is astounding.If it had been Hillary who was the dem nom, I'm sure these "men of god" would have yelled something like fraking whore of babylon.{/rant}Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

You mean the bigotry and intolerance that stand behind the god-hates-fags phenomenon?

I might as well put my rant here.I've been recording the inauguration. As I watched, I couldn't help but be reminded of how far we as a country have accomplished. I also couldn't help but think of those that are still trapped in some kind of time warp. Why do I say this? With much disappointment, my father is one of those that appear to be trapped in a time warp.Before I say anything further, I want to make it clear that I love my father very much. Does not mean I agree with his ideology.Right to this minute, he still refuses to accept Obama as our legitimately elected president. It became clear very early on that the only reason he opposed Obama was because Obama was black. At first, my father tried to hide this fact. But soon after he just stopped trying and began to give the following reason why he didn't want a black man to be president: the black mentality will ruin our country and that the blacks will take over the country.During the time when we all thought Hillary would become the dem nom, my father absolutely opposed to a woman becoming president. His reasoning was that his personal experience told him a woman wasn't capable of making sound decisions. He also has a whole arsenal of biblical reasons to why a woman should not be put in positions of power. My mother was right there with him supporting this reasoning. As a matter of fact, I've been amazed many months now how much buzsaw resembles my father. It it weren't for the fact that my father don't even know how to shut down a computer, I would have thought they were the same person.Of course, like every racist I've known in my life, my father doesn't admit to being a racist.At this moment, I'm just thankful that people like my parents aren't the majority of our nation. At the same time, I feel a great sense of pity and sadness for those that are left behind in the time warp.

Hey Bertot, considering the fact that you religious outnumber us secularists 100 to 1... or even worse than that, I don't know what the whole fuss is about.When was the last time you heard of us holding a sign that says "the non-existent god hates christians"? I saw in person a sign that says "god hates fags" not too long ago.So, let's not pretend like we want to put you guys in chains. All we want is for you guys to leave us alone.

Permit me to do a few corrections for you to look a little less stupid.To the point. A high end number of high schools yesterday ceased scholastic material, studies and other "school stuff" to watch the inauguration of the 44th president. That and other absurd measures were taken throughout the country to watch an experienced 'would-be' walk. I don't remember this much hype about the last 5 presidential inaugurations. Why? Hmm... because he is black. Yea, that's right, this isn't the "we don't know anything about this guy except he is black and extremely liberal" topic. This is the "let's suck this guy off because he is black and extremely liberal" topic.There, isn't that a little better?

If a white president messes up, people would be saying "oh well, he messed up..." But if Obama messes up, people would be saying "of course he messed up, he's black..."This is the mentality of bigots and racists. I'm not saying you are one, but I just want to point this out to you.Case in point. Whenever we find out that some politician is having an affair with a young female, half of the people out there would be admiring him for pulling it off while the other half would forget about it the next day. But god forbids if a politician is having a sexual encounter with another man. Half the people out there would be screaming bloody murder while the other half would be saying "of course he's sexually promiscuous... he's a damn faggot."For some reason, society tends to hold those who are in the minority to a much higher standard than the rest of us. Look at people's attitude toward Bush's mistakes and failures. I'm willing to bet half the people out there can't even name one thing Bushed messed up on. But god forbids if Obama so as much as yawns during some boring speech. Half the people would be screaming bloody murder and the other half would be saying "of course he yawned... he's a black man..."Let me be honest. I never supported Obama. I was a disgruntled Hillary supporter. Actually, I'm still disgruntled about it. But at least give the man a fair chance. If people put the worst president in office twice, why the hell are they holding this next president to a much higher standard?Already, one poster called the overmind has said like if Obama finally does something etc etc. Bush has had 8 years to solve the problems we've been facing and nothing has been solved. Obama has only taken office 1 fucking day and we already has someone bitching that Obama hasn't done anything yet.Added by edit.Take a look at the recent news with the gay mayor in Oregon. Oh noes... he had sexual relations with an 18 yr old. BIG FUCKING DEAL!Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Right... since when did they produce a keyboard that requires you to press 2 seperate buttons if you want to type the number 44?Actually, it was a good thing that you typed 42 instead of 44. You double proved your point that you don't care for this president. 42.. 44... same number anyway.

I've noticed over the years that this seems to be the common theme among the religious conservatives. If you don't like a candidate, just start accusing him of being a terrorist, muslim, puppet, or whatever else they could think of. After all, if you repeat a lie enough times, even YOU will start believing it.

I should have been more clear. It's not just the candidates that are the targets of christian slanders. There was a case in the 90s where a gay man's home was burned down by some bigots. His dog died in the fire. The homophobic mayor of that town, in defense of those who burned this man's house down, said on the news that the man was doing some satanic rituals with his dog. Buz, it's not uncommon that you religious right come up with weird lies to slander people you don't like. Accusing Obama of being a muslim secret agent out to destroy America is just one example out of many.But if you must, have you already forgotten the accusations from the religious right that Kerry and Edward were gay?Added by edit.I'll try to dig out the documentary about the various homophobic comments made by christians like you on the news over the years. If I find it, I'll post some of it on youtube. Been a while and my basement is getting a little chaotic.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Just shut up, sit back, and imagine this for a moment.You've been arrested by a foreign power and shipped to a detention facility on an thousands of miles away from your homeland. You are tortured from time to time for information that you may or may not know. Every once in a while, you get a lawyer who is suppose to represent you. But the catch is the lawyer isn't permitted to see any "evidence" regarding your guilt because, so they claim, the evidence is top secret stuff. In other words, you are held in a detention facility on a foreign land indefinitely without ever being charged of any wrong doing. As far as you and the rest of the world know, you are there because some people you've never met have claimed to have proof of your guilt but such proof can never be viewed by anyone, even your lawyer.Ask yourself this. Does it really matter what you have done in the past?I don't care if you've slaughtered millions and eaten babies for breakfast. You deserve representation and an explanation to why you are held. Even the nazi bastards had representation, and we're talking about the most evil people to have ever walked the face of the Earth.Nobody deserves to be held indefinitely without ever being charged of a crime or given a chance to defend himself. Heck, nobody deserves being held indefinitely without ever be told why he's being held indefinitely.Buz, people like myself aren't that naive. Nobody wants to simply release these people. But at least give them some kind of representation. Didn't your jesus say something like treat others as you would have others treat you?I dare you to tell me straight up that you would want to be captured by a foreign power, shipped to a foreign land thousands of miles away, and held captive indefinitely without ever knowing why you were held captive. Be a good christian and don't try to weasel out of this one.

You're missing my point completely. Let me repeat myself.How do you know all the people at gitmo are terrorists? They haven't been told why they are being held. Their lawyers have never been given a chance to look at the supposed evidence for their guilt.Again, how would you feel if you were captured by a foreign power, shipped to a foreign land far far away, and held indefinitely without ever told why you were captured in the first place?If you don't want to answer that question, at least answer this question. Why not give them a trial? If you're so afraid of them getting back into the world, chain them down so they can't escape. But why not let them know why they're being held and let them have a chance at defending themselves in court? I'll take your word for it.Now, answer the question. What is so horrible about (1) informing these people why they are being held captive, (2) letting their lawyers see the supposed evidence against them, and (3) giving them a chance to defend themselves in court?Try to put yourself in their position, Buz. Wouldn't you want at least a chance to defend yourself?Again, I'm not even saying we release them. Becareful there, buz. Starting to sound like a nazi.Just because it's been done in the past doesn't make it right. You of all people should know that. Shame on you for even using this logical fallacy. Ok. Now, answer the question. Why is it such a horrible thing to let them see the evidence against them and allow them a chance to defend themselves?

*Blink* You did not just say that did you?wusha wusha wusha wusha...Ok, let's assume for a moment that the military knows best. What is so horrible about showing the courts at least some of the evidence proving their guilt? What would be the police's motivation for rounding up innocents? OH MY GOD! YOU'VE JUST STUMBLED ONTO ENLIGHTENMENT! Oh, how we are blessed with your enlightenment.You have me convinced. I now believe we should rid ourselves of the judicial branch. {/sarcasm}Edited by Taz, : No reason given.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Now, this is not a fair statement and you know it. Might as well say "I also find it ironic how all these republicans who tout about their anti-gay propagandas and then go out emailing imappropriate sex contents to underage teenage boys..."Every herd has a black sheep.The other reason why your statement is unfair is they're not saying they want to tax the crap out of the rich. Some of us believe fair share means more than every person paying a buck regardless of how much money the person has. Remember Jesus' question about who gave more to charity when he saw a poor woman putting in some coins and a rich man putting in a whole bag of coins?Someone making 16k a year paying 1k of tax and someone making 160k a year paying 1k of tax ain't fair share.