On this day, let us all be proud of America

Well, petrophysics1 does have a point that the Republicans do stand a chance to get back into power. I doubt that Obama will be able to effectively solve all of the problems that are being handed to him by the Bush Administration, especially since, pace Buzsaw, Obama is too much a centrist to take really bold action.So what might happen is that in 4 years (or perhaps even in 2), people are going to blame Obama for failing to solve the problems and vote back in the other side, despite the fact that they are the very people who created those problems in the first place.Sounds crazy, but as pp1 pointed out, this is a country where a lot of people can't even accept basic scientific facts and who did manage to elect Bush in 2004 despite the failures of his first term (and even almost elected him in 2000).

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Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

Way to go, Distortionist Mod. Buz's opinions towards minorities is tolerance, friendliness and compatibility.Buz's knowledge of history, science and reality relative to race is quite another thing. I thought EvC was where facts are important. All I've done is cited facts. The facts are that whether evolutionist or ID creationist the implication of the facts is that there was some significant reason that races and languages originated in the first place. The facts are that the races and languages have been segregated throughout human history. The facts are that when integration is attempted, trouble brews.What race are the most voluminous, bigoted and boisterous today in America? It's the black racists like the black supremacist and the black militant organizations who feed the fires of revolution, sedition and hatred in the churches, the prisons and other segments of society. The rapid expansion of the Nation of Islam is a classic example, whose agent, Farrakhan was awarded high honors in Obama's church of choice for he, his wife and his children of 20 years.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Well, not ANY US President.Jimmy Carter's family was in Georgia for generations. Assuming his parents never left the country, how could he have not been born here? Interestingly enough, he was the first president born in a hospital.I'd say that McCain's birthplace is about as questionable as Obama's....But I'm under the impression that Hawaii was notorious for handing out fake birth certificates at that time. I've also heard that Obama's grandmother said that she witnessed his birth in Kenya (although I haven't verified it and honestly, I haven't looked into the whole thing very deeply yet. I've only recently become interested.)For people like Mccain and Obama, whose parents were known to be out of the country around the time of their birth, there's more reason to doubt it than for someone like Carter.I thinks its highly possible that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. But like I said, I haven't looked into it enough to have an opinion on whether or not he was.

Way to go, Distortionist Buz. I never mentioned what your opinions towards minorities were. And omitted other facts. And offered your opinions on those facts that you did cite. Are you suggesting that the people and groups I listed did not use people's fear to advance their rhetoric/position/politics? Hitler liked to omit certain facts and state other facts with a dash of opinion - he'd talk about how Jews were greedy moneylenders but omit the fact that it was the only business they were tolerated doing because of old Christian dogmas against lending money to other Christians at interest. I think Hitler did use this kind of argument. My point stands. Hitler used this one as well if I recall. Don't listen to Buz. Hitler Hitler, Stalin.

What makes you so sure of that? Why are you making that assumption? That is interesting. True enough on the face of it - but then again, given the nature of politics, I think we can safely assume that Obama's birth certficate's authenticity has been scrutinised more than most previous US Presidents with greater technology at the disposal of the relevant parties. I'd be very surprised if after digging around for long enough you will find something other than one or two semi-reliable people who claim that they heard Obama's grandmother say this, but nobody bothered to ask her to repeat this vital piece of evidence while recording it.Still - it wouldn't surprise me to learn that at least 1 President of the US didn't technically meet the requirements set out in the constitution - and I don't think it really matters all that much, they were stupid and arbitrary rules to begin with.

No offense taken. I understand you only have a bat brain.Please provide for me the quote where I said the intelligence of the American electorate has changed since I started following American Politics in 1960.Did I say they were smarter in voting for GWB than the empty suit Obamanation?Show me were I said that!Show me where I said the people who accept the TOE has changed!You may question my sense, but I sure as hell don't question the fact you can't see reality.Edited by petrophysics1, : No reason given.Edited by petrophysics1, : quote showed up missing after I pastedEdited by petrophysics1, : typo

- Lynch Mobs was a lot longer than 50. The founder of the black holocaust museum James Cameron was the last living survivor of a lynching in 1930 (79 years ago)
- Back of the bus was fixed in Browder v. Gayle in 1956 (53 years ago) BO is mostly white. I’d say at least as much as those 3/4ths you mentioned. Word.
This guy’s cult of personality is better than Kim Jong Il’s cult of personality. There are no loose associations in the Chicago Democratic Machine, if you believe there are, I have some beachfront property for sale in Antarctica.
I am judging my former senator based on what he has done and accomplished as a senator and a representative of me in Illinois. Since I cannot think of anything other than being half-black and being in office, I cannot offer any praise, until he does something. I know how politicians from PR Illinois are, and I do not buy the hype.
I guess we should be proud of him just for getting elected. I’ll be proud when he becomes a good president instead of all the kool-aid drinkers praising him for nothing.My thoughts exactly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP7lUGn7HWk

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- Lynch Mobs was a lot longer than 50. The founder of the black holocaust museum James Cameron was the last living survivor of a lynching in 1930 (79 years ago)
- Back of the bus was fixed in Browder v. Gayle in 1956 (53 years ago)

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'Preciate the heads up, thanks.

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BO is mostly white.

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Well, he absolutely wouldn't be under any of the various laws that defined one's race for assorted segregationist purposes. More to the point of this thread, race is almost entirely a societal distinction that (some) people use in deciding how to treat another person. It is based almost entirely on appearance. Given that President Obama is treated by most of the country as Black, the fact that he was elected is remarkable.

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I guess we should be proud of him just for getting elected.

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Interesting of you to say so. Perhaps you'd like to compare and contrast that opinion with the topic of this thread.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Right after you provide the quote where I said that you said that.

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Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

How are you defining 'lynch mob'? There have been lynchings since 1930, it is just that either survivors of such events (edit: it seems Cameron is the only known survivor of a lynching ever in the US) didn't outlast James Cameron or they didn't survive (not surviving was quite a common event). For example Mack Parker (1959):

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Mack Charles Parker, an African American, was accused of raping a white woman. When he was arrested, a Mississippi state trooper offered the woman's husband a pistol to shoot Parker. Three days before Parker was to stand trial, he was dragged from his jail cell, beaten and shot. His body was found in the Pearl River 10 days later. The FBI investigated and even obtained confessions from some of the eight white suspects. However, the county prosecutor refused to present evidence to a state grand jury and a federal grand jury refused to indict.

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There was also a famous US lynching that took place in 1981.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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Right after you provide the quote where I said that you said that.

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Fair enough.So in the context that you understood what I was saying explain to me why you posted this: Edited by petrophysics1, : No reason given.

Subbie,I'm interested in your criteria for deciding if someone is black or white.Reason I'm asking is your OP is very much based on BO being black.How did you determine that?My position is that BO is white for the following reasons.It is more accurate to trace linage through the female. I believe this is done with a number of types of DNA testing to see where your distant relatives where. It follows the female line not the male. I'm not a biologist so correct me if I'm wrong here.Some cultures also follow the female line, although many are very very Patriachal. You're not one of those are you?I actually am not concerned with someones genetics as with their upbringing.On both these counts, his mom being white, and him being raised by white people in a white culture, makes him white.Explain to me why I'm wrong.P.S. If I'm correct it means your OP is political bullshit.

Oddly enough, I did explain my reasoning in the post you replied to. If that explanation isn't good enough for you, and you conclude that me being proud of my country is nothing more than political bullshit, well, I guess I'll just have to live with that.Edited by subbie, : Tweak

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

If I were a liberal socialist, and my man for president was elected, I might talk to my opposition by pointing out things we have in common.Perhaps suggest there is some common ground, where we can agree on some things, and work out how we can both live with it.There are some things we will probably never agree on, but government works on I will give you that if you will give me this.Nothing is perfect or absolute.So my question here is why did Subbie made a VERY BIG THING of Obama's race.Why exactly did he do that?He claims that America is racist.Everyone in the Republican Party would have supported and voted for Colin Powell if he ran in 1996. The polls showed it, he would have TRASHED Clinton. He wouldn't run, what were we to do. We got left with Bob Dole, a nice guy, but nothing compared to Colin Powell.I DID NOT BRING RACE UP ON THIS THREAD!It is in Subbie's OPEdited by petrophysics1, : typo

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So my question here is why did Subbie made a VERY BIG THING of Obama's race.

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Why exactly did he do that?

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Because it was the topic I wanted to discuss. Note how cleverly I emphasized that that was the topic, in order to throw you off the scent.

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He claims that America is racist.

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Really?REALLY?!?Do you really take from my OP that I think America is racist!?!

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Everyone in the Republican Party would have supported and voted for Colin Powell if he ran in 1996.

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Hmmmm, that's fascinating. You know what? I would have supported Colin Powell as well. How about that! And if he had been elected, I would have been every bit of proud of our country for that election as I am now.Lemme clue you in on something, fella. I'm not a liberal socialist. I don't think America is racist. I don't even think the Repugnantcan party is racist. Nor do I think the Dimwitcrats are saints and the answer to all our country's problems.My OP was about one thing and one thing only. Here's a hint: it wasn't a paean (look it up) to President Obama. Give it another read and see if you can figure it out.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat