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By that same reasoning, non-procreative sex within marriage should also be a sin similar to what strict Catholicism believes. If my wife and I have sex with a condom on then the purpose is only "one of gratification." So then I guess we fall into the same bucket as all the rest of the fornicators in the world according to you.Edited by Jazzns, : No reason given.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Such an ideology would not be based on the Bible as far as I know. I can think of no scripture, other than the OT story of God striking down someone for "pulling out", that describes non-procreative sex within marriage as fornication. Then again there was not really any such thing as non-procreative sex at the time except for some crude IUD and abortion methods.What the Bible DOES say though is that if you are married you should get jiggy with it often! I can't find the verse at the moment but there is somewhere it even says that you shouldn't deny your spouse for more than 2 weeks. It does so, and many argue, for the purpose of describing a healthy marriage relationship. Certainly, since a woman is only fertile for a small window of opportunity every month, a lot of the sex the Bible says you should do would be non-procreative.Really then, the argument that same-sex marriage is sinful because the sex acts are not "covered" by the exception of procreation can be argued has no real Biblical basis.That being said, there are OTHER reason in the NT that can be used in particular to argue that same-sex marrige is a sin.There is also plenty of justification in the NT to suggest that other things such as looking lustfully at someone is the equivalent to adultry. But you don't hear most (and I must clarify most because I know there are plenty of scary Christians that do) Christians saying we should repeal free speech so that we can censor all media/books/speech that may cause someone to think "bad" thoughts. Most Christians I feel would agree that THAT sin is not something we as men should codify into law because God is the one that judges the sins of the heart.There is no difference between that and same-sex marriage. If homosexuality really is a sin in the eyes of God then it is a sin of the heart, not against fellow man like theft, lying, and murder. It is therefore not up to us to judge homosexuals or restrict them from the other worldy benefits that heterosexual people enjoy. A free society does not go against God, people go against God. There is no reason Biblicaly or otherwise to disallow legal unions between same-sex couples.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Yea, so where in the OT is the law that non-procreative sex within marriage is a sin?The guy that got God's wrath for "pulling out" was because he was denying his brother an heir, not because he getting jiggy with his new wife only to get his rocks off.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

What you are dismissing as a nit pick I consider to be a valid interpretation of the text. You can either just cry, "interpretation" which does nothing to further the conversation or try to show how my interpretation is invalid.There is such a thing as invalid interpretation. If I said that I interpreted that passage to mean that the law says that sperm shouldn't touch the ground then I would be wrong. My interpretation would be avoiding the context of the passage and the reason they were doing what they were.But even if I do have an invalid interpretation it does not matter. Like I said before, even if homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of God there is no reason for Christians to deny same-sex marriages.Jesus introduced the concept of sin of the heart and yet the "moral majority" is not pushing to get rid of free speech so that we can ban Dance Off, Pants Off. God will judge the sin of people who have adulterous thoughts and we as a society see no value in making an effort to stop people from commiting that particular sin of the heart. By the same reasoning we cannot deny same-sex marriages without being total hypocrites.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

And my point is if you haven't notice that those Christians are not basing such a view on anything but their own need to be the arbiter of morals in this world. It is not Bibilical and it is hypocritical given the other sins of the heart that are ignored over this issue of homosexuality.Have you actually been reading my posts or do you just reply to the first sentence that wags your tail?

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)