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NosyNed
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Message 2 of 44 (346678)
09-05-2006 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
09-05-2006 12:45 PM


How about you reading it?
We'd enjoy it if you'd read it and bring the comments (and supposed support for them) from the front cover here.
-- fresh meat!
It appears from your cover picture that it is just a collection of PRATTs (points refuted a thousand times). And all of them hashed out here already.

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Message 4 of 44 (346685)
09-05-2006 1:33 PM
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09-05-2006 1:29 PM


Not PRATTs?
Take each of the cover points and try to defend them.
We've been asking, just in the last few days for the scientific evidence for ID but no one has posted any. Maybe if you bought the book you could jump into those threads and be just devestating.
Try to get a money back guarentee though.

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Message 9 of 44 (346691)
09-05-2006 1:53 PM
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09-05-2006 1:29 PM


Might want to save your money...
Read over the Panda's thumb discussion. It makes a case that Wells is a liar; not someone you'd want to support with your money.

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Message 13 of 44 (346704)
09-05-2006 2:39 PM
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09-05-2006 2:23 PM


Re: Might want to save your money...
There are some very, very clear differences discussed in the Panda's thumb commentary. You should be able to check if Wells' is doing what the Panda guys says he is pretty easily.
Really, really easy if you believe the Panda guy about what he himself says he wrote. Then all you need to do is check the Wells book before you buy it.
If Wells misquoted as claimed then Wells is a liar. Period.

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Message 25 of 44 (346800)
09-05-2006 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Hyroglyphx
09-05-2006 5:58 PM


Wells, liar or not?
As noted before, NJ, it is reasonably easy to see if Wells is a reliable source of information or not.
Did he or did he not misquote here:
quote:
Here is how Wells quotes from my essay:
Retired physicist Mark Perakh, who grew up in the former Soviet Union, writes: “The anti-Lysenkoist stand of the ID advocates is . ludicrous given the similarity of their denial of Darwinian biology to the denial of the neo-Darwinian synthesis by the Lysenkoists.” Perakh continues :” From my experience both with Marxism and with the realities of the Soviet system, I can assert that . it is ID advocates whose behavior is reminiscent of the oppressive Soviet regime” since they subject Darwinists to “continuous denunciations, verbal assaults, derision, and ultimately to dismissal from their positions.”
(p. 182)
A brief look at the actual text of my essay immediately reveals that the alleged quotation has been constructed by Wells by means of some tricks.
1. He transposed various sentences from my essay, placing those that occur somewhere later in the text, ahead of some other that in fact occur earlier in the text.
2. He used ellipsis in several cases, apparently to hide from readers the exact wording of my essay.
3. He combined partial quotes taken from different parts of my essay in an allegedly single sentence thus fraudulently attributing to me something I did not say.
Here are some details.
from: Page not found · GitHub Pages
under the heading "Quote mining".
If he did he is a liar.

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