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Author Topic:   Discrimination against homosexuals carried into the 21st century
jar
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Message 24 of 313 (378013)
01-19-2007 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Rob
01-19-2007 10:00 AM


Re: ...some of you thought I was just a liar...
And still other humans are murderers, liars, thiefs, and otherwise generally insolent, ignorant, and obfuscating. We should embrace them all for what this twisted world has made of them.

Yet more misrepresentation.

You consider homosexuality a sin. You try to hide the fact that it is YOU making such a distinction by claiming it is "Christ".

You simply use your fictional Christ as a cop out.

You also continue to post false comparisons. You compare actions with conditions (lying with ignorance), and actions that have an affect on others to those that affect only the individual (homosexuality and stealing).

Those are classic tactics of the conman; those are called misdirection.

The rest of your post is simply more off topic nonsense.


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Message 48 of 313 (378174)
01-19-2007 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Rob
01-19-2007 6:37 PM


Re: ...some of you thought I was just a liar...
Well Message 24 wasn't very long and you ignored the important parts so here it is in total.

jar writes:

Yet more misrepresentation.

You consider homosexuality a sin. You try to hide the fact that it is YOU making such a distinction by claiming it is "Christ".

You simply use your fictional Christ as a cop out.

You also continue to post false comparisons. You compare actions with conditions (lying with ignorance), and actions that have an affect on others to those that affect only the individual (homosexuality and stealing).

Those are classic tactics of the conman; those are called misdirection.

The rest of your post is simply more off topic nonsense.

First, sins are nobodies business except perhaps the person who may be committing them.

Second, homosexuality is not a sin.

Third, you tried to misdirect folk be conflating homosexuality with lying, ignorance and thievery.

Let me see if I can make this very clear. Sins other than your own are none of your damn business.

One more time.

Sins other than your own are none of your damn business.


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Message 52 of 313 (378193)
01-19-2007 8:25 PM
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01-19-2007 8:22 PM


Try again to make it clear.
Let me see if I can make this very clear. Sins other than your own are none of your damn business.

One more time.

Sins other than your own are none of your damn business.


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Message 55 of 313 (378201)
01-19-2007 8:36 PM
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01-19-2007 8:32 PM


Re: Try again to make it clear.
So am I 'sinning' by not obeying this... law... are you violating your own rule by not minding your own?

I don't care whether or not you sin. Your sins are none of my business.

jar writes:

Let me see if I can make this very clear. Sins other than your own are none of your damn business.

In case you missed it...

sins other than your own are none of your business.

The rest of your post is just more off topic nonsense.


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Message 58 of 313 (378211)
01-19-2007 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by anastasia
01-19-2007 8:58 PM


Other folks sin is NOT your business.
Sin is everybody's business if it hurts someone.

Crap.

The only sin that is your business is your sin.

Actions may be your business if it affects others, but whether some act is a sin or not has nothing to do with it.


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Message 60 of 313 (378228)
01-19-2007 10:30 PM
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01-19-2007 10:24 PM


More Crap
Ok... let's assume it is not. And under that assumption (that the natural order is not good and orderly) is anything wrong (sinful) with anything?

Taz said he does not believe in the concept of sin... Do you concur? And if so, what then is 'rightly' said to be 'wrong'... when there is no such thing as right and wrong?

More absolute nonsense.

Right and wrong have NOTHING to do with sin.

Let me repeat:

Right and wrong have NOTHING to do with sin.

Sin is only something between an individual and a God.


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Message 62 of 313 (378232)
01-19-2007 10:39 PM
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01-19-2007 10:33 PM


Re: Other folks sin is NOT your business.
Sin, by it's definition, affects everyone. That's why we call it sin.

Bullshit. Sin is only between the individual and a God.

For illustration purposes, let's say you are a child molester. Add to that equation the fact that I have three children.

That equation equals my absolute business.

Again you are simply playing games, trying to misdirect the readers attention while you palm the pea.

There are behaviors that are illegal. It has NOTHING to do with sin.

Let me repeat:

Other folks sin is NOT your business.

The rest of your post is simply irrelevant off topic nonsense.


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Message 69 of 313 (378240)
01-19-2007 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Rob
01-19-2007 10:44 PM


Re: Other folks sin is NOT your business.
Rob writes:

jar writes:

Other folks sin is NOT your business.

Then mind your own business and quit telling me it is wrong to say otherwise.

You having another reading problem?

I say nothing about whether or not you sin, don't care whether or not you sin.

I will speak out though when you behave poorly, when you try to divert attention of the audience while you palm the pea.

In case you did not get it:

Other folks sin is NOT your business.

Edited by jar, : up ---> you


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Message 70 of 313 (378242)
01-19-2007 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by anastasia
01-19-2007 10:44 PM


Re: Other folks sin is NOT your business.
Sin is personal. Crime is public.

Correct.

ABE:

Some of them happen to overlap.

Only in the individuals mind. Sin, because it is personal, is unrelated to right and wrong. It is only determined by the internal moral system of the individual.

Edited by jar, : No reason given.


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Message 98 of 313 (378372)
01-20-2007 1:33 PM
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01-20-2007 1:24 PM


Re: Inalienable Rights...from now on, that is.
Would it be unnatural for me to marry my brother even if I didn't have sex?

It would be very natural for you to marry your brother, even if you did have sex.


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Message 108 of 313 (378455)
01-20-2007 7:05 PM
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01-20-2007 6:52 PM


Not just off topic but also just plain silly.
If there is no eternal Justice (or being) to fear, then there is no reason to expect a Hitler or a Stalin to moderate their position. There is no reason for them to do what is 'right', since right becomes what ever benefits the individual and their desires.

How utterly silly.

I guess that is why Hitler never invaded Poland, retired to a monastery and became a Monk.

Sorry Rob but believe it or not some of use try to do right just because it is the right thing to do. We do not need to fear some imaginary Big Daddy in the Sky.

Well, you're the one who justifies Nazism by agreeing with the social darwinism that Hitler explained quite matter-of-factly in his manifesto, 'Mein Kampf'.

Nonsense, Hitler justified the Final Solution on Christian Principles.


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Message 128 of 313 (378616)
01-21-2007 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Rob
01-21-2007 10:52 AM


right and wrong.
No Kuresu, you are the one who missed it. You determined nothing. You own nothing. You have no right. And you are wrong.

You don't own the power to choose. Everything was given to you. If you claim it as your own, you will become a devil.

I'm sorry but that is not just bullshit, it is also refuted by the Bible. Man was given the capability of knowing right from wrong. All mankind, not just Christians, and regardless of whether or not they believe in God. All that was given was the capability to make choices, and the charge to try to choose wisely.

Those capabilities and that responsibility ARE your own. You own them.

You are not God. Not even of your own life. You are dependant. You are utterly dependant... upon the laws of physics; energy, and matter... and upon the moral law; information and reason itself.

More pea hiding shell games. You create yet another false dichotomy and an attempt to conflate reality with fantasy. While the laws of physics certainly do apply, there is no evidence of anything like a moral law.

Morality is a learned behavior. It is like all knowledge, based on the experiences of those who lived before us. It is changeable and mutable and like knowledge, evolves over time.

Morality is always simply a matter of choice. It is trying to do what is right in a given situation. It is an action and responsibility of the individual.

The rest of the post is just some more blather and jabberwocky.


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Message 133 of 313 (378625)
01-21-2007 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Rob
01-21-2007 11:53 AM


Re: right and wrong.
I'm sorry if you are upset by others pointing out what absolute utter off topic nonsense you post. You are free of course to not respond to any of my posts.

However, in Message 128 I not only declared that your post was simply bullshit, I pointed out why.

First, the topic of the thread is "Discrimination against homosexuals carried into the 21st century".

Nothing in your post, or most any of your posts in the thread, has been on topic. Instead you wander off into your fantasyland asserting stuff like moral law and equating it to the laws of physics.

Frankly, that is simply conflating concepts, and an attempt to misdirect folks attention in the hope that they do not notice you are failing to address the topic or respond to challenges.

Further, you dishonestly quotemine part of a sentence to misrepresent what I actually said.

What I actually said was "I'm sorry but that is not just bullshit, it is also refuted by the Bible. "

I went on to explain in depth:

Man was given the capability of knowing right from wrong. All mankind, not just Christians, and regardless of whether or not they believe in God. All that was given was the capability to make choices, and the charge to try to choose wisely.

Those capabilities and that responsibility ARE your own. You own them.

You took only part of the sentence ...

I'm sorry but that is not just bullshit

and without even showing that it was incomplete, or linking to the whole sentence, went on to personally challenge my intellegence.

In case you have forgotten, the topic is "Discrimination against homosexuals carried into the 21st century".

Discrimination is a fact. It is also the topic. So far you have presented no valid reasons why such discrimination should be tolerated other than the fact that you consider homosexuality to be a sin.

As has been pointed out to to many times, other folks sins are none of your business.

If you wish to show cause for continued discrimination, please make your best defense of case for discrimination against homosexuals.


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Message 136 of 313 (378632)
01-21-2007 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Rob
01-21-2007 12:25 PM


Re: right and wrong.
Genesis 3:

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

The man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.

Man was not chased out of the Garden of Eden because he gained the capability to know right from wrong, but because the God as portrayed in Genesis 2 & 3 was afraid. That God feared man would also eat from the Tree of Life and so live forever. That was why man was banished.

But that is STILL off topic and irrelevant nonsense. It has nothing to do with the topic or with you justifying bigotry and discrimination.

Even if you think homosexuality is a sin, that is insufficient reason to justify discrimination.

Other peoples sins are none of your business.

Try to address a topic instead of constantly trying to move the goal posts and inserting irrelevant material.


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Message 150 of 313 (378656)
01-21-2007 1:53 PM
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01-21-2007 1:39 PM


More off topic nonsense and attempt to palm the pea.
The topic is "Discrimination against homosexuals carried into the 21st century".

Jar posted:

jar writes:

Even if you think homosexuality is a sin, that is insufficient reason to justify discrimination.

Other peoples sins are none of your business.

to which Rob replied with more off topic nonsense.

The issue is not bestiality, child porn or anything other than "Discrimination against homosexuals carried into the 21st century".

Are you are are you not going to present a case for discrimination against homosexuals?

Once again, Other peoples sins are none of your business.

Your position is one of pure adulterated interference and intentional muddying of the waters. You churn the sea with your sophistry and make hovoc of 'reason'.

How is asking you to actually address the topic "pure adulterated interference and intentional muddying of the waters"?

A beast you have become in your rage! Come to your senses jar and be a man.

God is not afraid of you, and neither am I. He has you completely surrounded and contained on a lonely little blue planet in the vaccume of space. You are a threat to no-one who listens to the voice of Him who sit's on the throne and will make you his footstool.

Your bullets fall to the ground at my command, because the command is given in the name of Jesus.

More off topic nonsense Rob.

Do you ever plan on trying to address the topic?


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