Internet Explorer 8.0 Beta 2

I updated to IE 8.0 Beta 2 today just to give it a try, and it was a disaster. I can't imagine how bad Beta 1 was. Some pages didn't display properly, some wouldn't display at all except in what they call "compatibility mode". The Javascript debugger raised an error box with every single error, even though I had deselected "Display a notification with every script error." The final straw was when ctrl+F stopped working. I rolled back to IE 7.0 and ctrl+F still didn't work, leaving me high and dry, so...I'm now a Firefox user.I gave Google's Chrome a try for a day, and I may yet go back to it. Its audio and video had stopped working, but I had to reboot when I rolled back from IE 8.0 and now they're working again.--Percy

One reason why I always wait till a program is almost out of date before I use it.

Everything about Internet Explorer is a disaster. My wife downloaded it as soon as it was put out on the market. We were unimpressed and we too had server errors and whatnot. We're sticking with Firefox. They just updated, presumably to compete with IE 8.0 and Chrome. Haven't had any problems.

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“Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito"

The problem with you guys is that you want to use the newest, most "badass" stuff. For me, I wait till they've fixed everything that's wrong with a program before I start using it.

Not for me. Naturally we (I'm assuming I can speak for Percy here) were curious to see if it was better than Firefox or Chrome. So far I like Firefox. If they can work out their kinks and bugs, I'll give it another trial run.

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I updated to IE 8.0 Beta 2 today just to give it a try, and it was a disaster.

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What part of "beta" escaped you? If you're going to use unfinished software, then you must be willing to accept the consequences.

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Rrhain

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This is the second beta. If microsoft will release like they use to, there wont be a beta 3, they'll call the next an RC, make one of these and then do a final.When the product is nearly finnished, as it is according to MS, it should not have a 400mb memory footprint. It should be able to render most webpages, it should not crash every 5 minutes, it should react when you do something. Have you tried it? So many of the functions are so incredibly slow..Yet again MS will release an errorprone browser that just dosen't conform with the standards.

I have used Firefox exclusively for about a year and it is by far and away my favorite browser. It never gives me any problems and each update smoothly integrates into it, making me unwilling to ever switch...unless another browser is even someday as good, in which case I will use it also...but for now, Firefox 3.0 is my default browser.

Why even put it on the market? It just makes their software look like junk.

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Testing purposes.

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This is the second beta.

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Again, what part of "beta" is escaping you? It is unfinished. One of the issues regarding PC machines is that the computer is fairly open in design. There are hundreds of variations in hardware and drivers involved. A beta release is going to be handling many of the more popular ones, but it is still beta and your specific combination of hardware and software may not be supported yet.

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Have you tried it?

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No, because it's beta. I tried the first RC of Vista on my laptop and it wouldn't boot. By the time it actually came out as a final product, there were no issues.

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Yet again MS will release an errorprone browser

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Actually, IE is less errorprone than both Firefox and Safari.

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that just dosen't conform with the standards.

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(*chuckle*) As if any browser really conforms to "standards." Strange how pages that will render on Firefox won't render on Safari and vice versa.

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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What part of "beta" escaped you? If you're going to use unfinished software, then you must be willing to accept the consequences.

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Why even put it on the market? It just makes their software look like junk.

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Then every single software company out there is in trouble because they all do it. Netscape was the one that started this perpetual beta process. If you wanted a copy of Netscape, you could download what was considered the "official" version or you could download the beta version. A lot of people got into the habit of downloading the beta since it had the "latest and greatest" features.Have you read the Chrome comic book that Google put out? Notice the last sentence: External beta is where you can get some testing done. The computer landscape is so large and undefined that it is very difficult to release a product that you can expect to run on most setups. External betas are required. But what has happened with the rise of Netscape is the "public" beta.Why is Chrome only available for Windows when a great number of the programmers at Google use Macs and Linux? Surely that "just makes their software look like junk," right?No, it's because they've decided to do a public beta (and remember: The policy of Google is that they are in perpetual beta) and since the computer landscape is predominantly Windows, that's where they went first.So once again, what part of "beta" escaped you?

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Just wanted to note that my reason for switching from IE had nothing to do with the poor quality of IE 8.0 Beta 2. I wanted to switch back to IE 7.0, but when I did ctrl-F was still broken. I use ctrl-F all the time, so I had to switch. I don't think it's possible to tell where exactly the problem lies. It could be XP, it could IE 8.0, it could be IE 7.0, it could be rollback software, I don't know.--Percy

According to MS, IE8 will be released in less than 4 months. This does not give them alot of time to fix the fact that it currently uses twice the amount of memory than its competitors.
It will get better before the release, sure, but i just dont think they will be able to better that footprint with 50% Oh, so CSS works perfectly on IE/trident? And not on firefox/gecko?
Is trident DOM better than Gecko DOM?
XHTML? MathXML? XForms? You chuckle quite a lot..No, not that strange, they use different layout engines.
They are not all equally good, and the developers behind have different priorities.
Gecko, firefox' engine, does comply to standards far better than IE's trident. So does Safari/GoogleChrome's webkit.Do you think it's a bad idea that browsers try to conform to these standards?Don't get me wrong. I dislike FF and Safari nearly as much as IE, it's are just the best option out there for me right now.

Actually that might be the easy part. Sometimes beta code is full of debug information which can be removed with a compile.