Was the Vote Hacked?

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Btw, ever looked at who was indicted for illegal campaign fundraising, and what party paid the highest fines ever?

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...which points to the desperate need for campaign finance reform.Hey, wasn't that one of the planks that Newt Gingrich ran on, but in over a decade of Republican control of congress, and almost a decade of Republican control of the Executive branch, too, there has not been any campaign finance reform legislation.Why is that?

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Obviously not. It may be that an originalist interpretation of the Constitution would mean you need a search warrant, but you guys threw that sort of thinking overboard decades ago.

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So, le's pretend that you are right and it's the Democrats' fault that Bush stopped getting wiretap warrants from the secret court and spied on people without a warrant.Does that make Bush's actions constitutional/legal?

Are you talking about Texas prosecuter Ronny Earle? The guy who's put almost twice the number of Democrats in jail than Republicans?That's the guy you're calling "partisan"? Tell me, Rand, did you do any research about this guy besides listening to Sean Hannity?

partisan? earle indicted 7 democrats and only 3 republicans. yes, he's partisan -- he doesn't like other democrats. no, you're right. they're not. but given the fact that it keeps happening... maybe it's a sign that some not so good stuff is going on in the republican camps. stuff you refuse to see, opting instead for mud flinging, clinton-bashing, and repeating fox news talking points that are highly innaccurate. i repeat my two words:karl rove.come on rand, even ann coulter hates karl rove. do you know how slimy a republican has to be to get trashed by ann coulter in public?

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uh, no, we didn't. you need a search warrant for land-line taps if one party is an american citizen. tapping internationally is nothing new -- but this scandal is about DOMESTIC tapping.

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I think a lot of the extraneous (very) side themes already have their own topics elsewhere. Please look for them.AdminnemooseusThis message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 01-26-2006 02:48 PM

Schraf, I am really baffled by your post. McCain/Feingold campaign finance reform was signed into legislation early in Bush's first term. You really need to take some time to learn the basic facts of the political debate and quit listening to left-wing propaganda or whatever is feeding you disinformation.Of course, the democrats showed that campaign finance reform didn't work, as one of it's main proponents in funding for the effort, George Soros, started the billionares club to practically take over the Democratic party via MoveOn. The dems took more special interests money than ever, more billionares than ever with more control ever, because they coult not match Republican hard money $1000 and less donations, legal and clean donations, I might add, although after the dems developed MOveOn and some others, the Reps started funding similar things.

You guys throw out Karl Rove like he is monster, but he didn't threaten to publicly blackmail members of Congress like Carville and Flint. He didn't solicit money from communist China. I can only wish the dems were as clean as Rove.

So you say....as you dems know, the law is what the courts interpret. You want to complain about rule of law, the original meaning breakign down, then start backing different judges like Thomas and Scalia.Btw, one reason I give the dems no credit on this issue is that Carter, Clinton, and as far as I can tell, every president since and including Woodrow Wilson has spied on American citizens they feel are connected to foreign threats. Heck, Wilson practically turned the nation into a police state.So it's just croc tears to me. You guys are not serious. If you were, you'd have been calling for Clinton's head over Echelon. Moreover, you'd be aware that the NSA taps people's phones and electronic communications all the time, and has done so since it's inception. In fact, pretty much all electronic communications are set through a filter, and they can go back and listen to stuff from the past. If you cared about this sort of stuff, you'd been in the fight all along, but no, you are bashing Bush because he is a Rep when it isn't even clear that Bush's actions are unConstitutional since it involves national security in arguably a time of war.

Randman, you may be replying to other messages that were also off-topic, but your last 3 messages are massively off-topic.The topic concerns voting systems in the U.S. All messages should have something to do with voting sytems in the U.S.Randman, others - Get on topic or suffer the wrath of Moose.Adminnemooseus

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