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John Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by axial soliton:
[B]The structures under water off Yonaguni Island were underwater for at least that long, and maybe 10,000 years old. But, they are megalithic and carved into foundation rock.[/quote] [/b] I saw the Yonaguni Island show. I was not impressed. I looked it up. Apparently not a lot of scientists are impressed. True, the rock formations off of Yanuguni are impressive but look like rock formations, not like pyramids or monoliths. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: It would, in the sense of slowing things down (assuming the large population interbred)
quote: Population size won't stimulate mutation, which is a major factor. A small population can change more rapidly than a large one though. I don't understand your questions in the context of this debate. Can you clarify?
quote: Just guessing but perhaps there was a strong pressure within the Jewish community-- historically at least-- that put the population into a culturally limited breeding pool.
quote: What new genes for increased computational ability? ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: The first head photo you posted looks much better than anything I saw on the show. It looks to have been colorized or something. The other pictures, I agree are interesting, but the monolith as a whole just looks like a rock formation. I could probably be convinced that a few features were carved, but even that I am not convinced of at the moment. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: If you are talking about a flood six thousand years ago, you have nowhere enough time to see significant adaptation-- especially since human adaptation is largely cultural (as you noted) and has been for many thousands of years. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Some theories have the Neanderthal breeding with modern humans instead of being replaced. Just a thought...
quote: The Neandarthal were cold adapted.
quote: The Neandarthal were rugged as all heck as well. I'd bet for them in a shear brute force fight. Something else shifted the odds. I'd bet it was a more complicated and adaptable culture.
quote: The reason isn't all that strange. Underwater archeology is extremely difficult and much more dangerous and time consuming than terrestrial archeology. And the technology didn't really exist until SCUBA. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I am not convince that this is settled.
WordPress › Error quote: There wouldn't be any mention. Neanderthal ceased to exist many tens of thousands of years too soon.
quote: There are paintings and such actually.
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.neanderthal.de/e_thal/pg_40.htm quote: There is no evidence of anything approaching civiliation in Neanderthal culture.
quote: This should show up in the archealogical records. It doesn't/ ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Note that the author makes the point that mtDNA, due to its high mutation rate, may only be a short term indicator -- less than 50k years. Thus it could be misleading.
quote: See above.
quote: But you are saying almost the same thing. Climatic change could have been why one group prospered and the rest didn't.
quote: This doesn't show up in any archeological finds that I know of.
quote: No.
quote: Hungry for some flesh are ya?
quote: The dates are not rock solid. There probably were Neanderthal roaming around for awhile after our last record of them.
quote: Laborers doing what? Slave labor is a drawback in hunter-gatherer societies. It only becomes valuable at civilization level- or near to it- under certain conditions.
quote: Where did this come from? How do you know they were smarter than we are?
quote: No webpage found at provided URL: http://24.141.54.174/deleted_guardian.htm [quote]Why doesn't it bother any of the experts that Cheops pyramid is the only one without hieroglyphics on the interior?[/qutoe] Boy you jump around don't you? Cheops was first. It was a tomb designed to protect the body of a king and all of his possessions. It didn't work. Later builders resorted to magic-- heiroglyphic spells. Not to mention a possible change of cultural ideas.
quote: Where is the evidence of this civilization. Civilizations leave BIG foot-prints.
quote: We have evidence of the Neandarhtals making flutes. It is unsupported extrapolation that other humans did not make flutes. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by axial soliton:
microsoft/quote You and me both, man!
quote: This is pure speculation. How can you know what their world view was? Or why they stopped expanding where they did?
quote: More baseless speculation. You cannot know that they 'would not allow themselves' to do anything. Could have been that they tried and failed.
quote: Fine. But you cannot apply this to Neandarthal. You cannot know the contents of their minds. That information is for the most part lost to us. We have burials. We infer some kind of religion/supernatural belief, but that is about all we can infer; and I am uncomfortable even with that.
quote: I think you are referring to the musical instruments that Joe has pointed out were a joke. Even if they were not a joke, it doesn't imply abstract thought. Music -- the making of and the listening to-- is largely emotional. Watch how little kids will hum and make noise. Voila-- music, or proto-music. No abstract thought involved.
quote: Reasonable enough, but humans need not necessarily have been involved in the end of the Neandarthal.
quote: But not as a staple food supply. Cannibalism is actually pretty rare and when culturally accepted has a great deal of theology and ritual associated with it.
quote: This doesn't mean that humans would have eaten the N's (tired of typing that word). Humans are pretty weird about what they eat. Culture determines what is edible or not. Think about all the things around you that aren't food, but are edible-- cats, dogs, horses, roaches, crickets, children, pigeons....
quote: We aren't talking catastrphic change of environment when viewed from a human perspective. The change occurs over many generations. I don't see that it would take a genius to follow the food supply and the warm weather.
quote: Remember, these slow human thinkers are virtually identical to humans 2002.
quote: No. Climate cannot be modeled as simplistically as that.
quote: ewwww.... sports! Icky!
quote: Agreed. This is exactly what I said.
quote: No it doesn't. We haven't 'used' the California Condor, for example. Coexistence does not imply slavery of one to the other. You need more evidence for this claim.
quote: See Joe's post.
quote: Water erosion of the sphinx is an interesting question. Take a look at this picture of a yardang.
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.bu.edu/news/releases/2001/El-Bazphotos.htm [quote]It is hard to believe that Cheops was the only pharoah without an ego. There was no burial chamber in this pyramid, as I recall. The sarcophagus found in other pyramids was missing here. Hard to believe thieves stole a stone box. To put the picture together requires looking at all that was going on in a time period.
quote: Very interesting links. Thankie. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com [This message has been edited by John, 08-10-2002]
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