abstinece-only sex education

You've got to remember, Faith is from the old school. You know, the "I know what the truth is, don't try to confuse me with the facts" school.Doesn't matter what anyone else says or what statistics you can marshal, she's already made up her mind.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

Well, I'm quite surprised to hear that you consider my statement a smear. I really thought I was simply stating your opinion as you yourself have laid it out. EvC Forum: Why are literalists literalists?In that message, as I understood it, you said that it's not possible for there to be any factual innaccuracy in the bible. The only conclusion to be drawn from that is that there is nothing that could conceivably ever happen to make the bible inaccurate. Thus, you have made up your mind about the bible and no facts could ever change your mind.Now you seem to be describing your own belief as a smear. Have you changed your mind from your previously stated opinion?

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

I never said a word about your opponents' arguments, therefore I didn't claim victory by declaring anyone correct.You say you have all the facts about the bible, the only logical conclusion to draw fomr that is that no further facts will matter to you. Thus, my statement about you is correct.It seems to me that you are the one who put arguments about the bible in this thread when you made the outrageous claim that "if our national leaders support immoral behavior the nation will be exposed to God's punishment. This is the real reason for the health problems already created by the sexual freedom of the last few decades -- it's judgment, the kind of judgment that is built into the sin in this case."The only possible explanation I can think of for ignoring 100s of years of medical advances in epidemiology and reverting to the dark ages for your medical knowledge is your insistance that you already have all the facts.If there's any smearing going on, dearie, it's you smearing yourself.If you insist on claiming that I have smeared you, I ask that you provide the quote, the context and your analysis of how my statement is a smear.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

It is absolutely hysterical that Fatih can criticize science because of its supposed certainty (which science in fact never expresses) while she is the leading proponent of the "I already have all the facts I need and know thata I am right" school on this forum. This isn't the pot calling the kettle black, its the pot calling the linen black.Edited by subbie, : No reason given.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin