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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 1 of 301 (435600)
11-21-2007 10:11 PM


What Is The Positive Evidence For Atheism?
Or do you guys operate on blind faith?
If evolution is the positive evidence for Atheism, then Christian evolutionists are the biggest fools on Earth.
If evolution is not positive evidence for Atheism how rational is it to ignore the fact that all of you are evolutionists?
Of course we know that all of you are evolutionists because evolution supports your worldview. But you cannot admit publicly without embarrassing so called Christian evolutionists.
Ray

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jar
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Message 2 of 301 (435602)
11-21-2007 10:21 PM
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11-21-2007 10:11 PM


say what?
Is that like asking what the positive evidence for not believing in the tooth fairy?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 3 of 301 (435603)
11-21-2007 10:21 PM
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11-21-2007 10:11 PM


Ray writes:
What Is The Positive Evidence For Atheism?
Christians.

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 4 of 301 (435604)
11-21-2007 10:24 PM
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Re: say what?
Is that like asking what the positive evidence for not believing in the tooth fairy?
Jar: I was talking to Atheists, did you forget that you are a Christian?
Ray

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crashfrog
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Message 5 of 301 (435605)
11-21-2007 10:25 PM
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11-21-2007 10:11 PM


What Is The Positive Evidence For Atheism?
How do you have positive evidence for something not existing?
The fact that there's zero evidence for the existence of god is all I need to convince me of atheism. If there was even one single piece of evidence that unequivocally pointed to the existence of god, we wouldn't be atheists.
If evolution is not positive evidence for Atheism how rational is it to ignore the fact that all of you are evolutionists?
All of who? All atheists? That's certainly not true.
All of us evolutionists aren't all atheists, either. Who are you talking about, exactly?
Yes, atheists tend to be evolutionists, because they tend to be people who are convinced by evidence and not dogma; as a result, because evidence is best supported by all the evidence, that's what we tend to support.

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11-21-2007 10:26 PM
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11-21-2007 10:24 PM


Re: say what?
Reread the OP. Found nothing limiting it to atheists.
So...
Is that like asking what the positive evidence for not believing in the tooth fairy?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 7 of 301 (435607)
11-21-2007 10:26 PM
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11-21-2007 10:21 PM


RAY: What Is The Positive Evidence For Atheism?
OMNIVOROUS: Christians.
RAY: We were all Atheists before we were Christians.
Ray

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 8 of 301 (435610)
11-21-2007 10:33 PM
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11-21-2007 10:25 PM


How do you have positive evidence for something not existing?
So you operate on blind faith, and have no positive evidence to justify the existence of your worldview.
All of who? All atheists? That's certainly not true.
All of us evolutionists aren't all atheists, either. Who are you talking about, exactly?
All Atheists are evolutionists, not a matter of opinion.
What else could they be?
Your blue box intentionally confuses a simple point: Atheism: "we have no positive evidence" (but just ignore the fact that all of us are evos).
Ray

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sidelined
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Message 9 of 301 (435611)
11-21-2007 10:39 PM
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11-21-2007 10:11 PM


Cold Foreign
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What Is The Positive Evidence For Atheism?
The lack of verifiable and repeatable phenomena that can be found to resolve beneath investigation of said events and the emerging pattern throughout history of the once theistic explanations falling within the purview of scientific study and subsequent explanation.
Since all God explanations have fallen to investigation the onus remains not for the atheist to have to reveal the world to ,in every instance, be amenable to explanation {an impossible task to be sure}it suffices to assert that the default stance is that God does not exist unless and until there is proof that he does. This is the result of reasonable discourse about the subject demonstrating that the non existence of something is not resolvable but existence of something is.
Edited by sidelined, : No reason given.

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Omnivorous
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Message 10 of 301 (435612)
11-21-2007 10:47 PM
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11-21-2007 10:26 PM


quote:
RAY: What Is The Positive Evidence For Atheism?
OMNIVOROUS: Christians.
RAY: We were all Atheists before we were Christians.
No, I was a Christian child before I was an atheist, then later (and now) an agnostic due to my own quixotic notions of intellectual honesty.
I'll widen my reply: the best positive evidence for atheism is the depravity and hypocrisy of believers of all stripes.
Gods have done us no good on this earth. Even if proven to exist, why would anyone worship such entities?
Maybe God stays hidden because we would storm heaven.

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crashfrog
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Message 11 of 301 (435614)
11-21-2007 10:51 PM
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11-21-2007 10:33 PM


So you operate on blind faith, and have no positive evidence to justify the existence of your worldview.
The one doesn't follow from the other. I have no positive evidence, because none can exist; instead, it's the negative evidence that supports atheism. There's nothing faith-based about that.
All Atheists are evolutionists, not a matter of opinion.
They're not, though. That's a matter of fact.
What else could they be?
Well, for instance, the people who believe that life on Earth is the product not of evolution, but of intelligent aliens seeding life throughout the universe are atheists, nominally; but are most definitely not evolutionists.
but just ignore the fact that all of us are evos).
Who's "we"? I still don't understand who you're talking about (or to.)

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Message 12 of 301 (435616)
11-21-2007 11:08 PM
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11-21-2007 10:11 PM


Ray writes:
What Is The Positive Evidence For Atheism?
Might as well ask what is the positive evidence for not believing in the immaterial pink unicorn or santa claus or the tooth fairy or zeus.
If evolution is the positive evidence for Atheism, then Christian evolutionists are the biggest fools on Earth.
I can't speak for others, but evolution wasn't the thing that drove me to atheism. It was the christian's tendency to discriminate in the name of god.
If evolution is not positive evidence for Atheism how rational is it to ignore the fact that all of you are evolutionists?
Um, no. Hoot Mon claims to be an atheist and he has some rather weird ideas about evolution.
Of course we know that all of you are evolutionists because evolution supports your worldview. But you cannot admit publicly without embarrassing so called Christian evolutionists.
Huh?

Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

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Chiroptera
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Message 13 of 301 (435618)
11-21-2007 11:50 PM
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11-21-2007 10:11 PM


File this under: Oh, wait a minute!
What Is The Positive Evidence For Atheism?
The fact that God himself has sent this delusion to us.
God wouldn't lie, after all.

Computers have cut-and-paste functions. So does right-wing historical memory. -- Rick Perlstein

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EighteenDelta
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Message 14 of 301 (435620)
11-22-2007 12:05 AM
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11-21-2007 10:24 PM


Re: say what?
Jar: I was talking to Atheists, did you forget that you are a Christian?
Ray
Jar was doing the Christian thing instead of standing to the side when an extremist from his religious affiliation was on a rampage, exactly in line with what he feels is proper. He obviously does not want to be an enabler to your anger and hostility which flies in the face of Christian Behavior, as he has described it more than once. Some could stand to learn from it.
-x

"Debate is an art form. It is about the winning of arguments. It is not about the discovery of truth. There are certain rules and procedures to debate that really have nothing to do with establishing fact ” which creationists have mastered. Some of those rules are: never say anything positive about your own position because it can be attacked, but chip away at what appear to be the weaknesses in your opponent's position. They are good at that. I don't think I could beat the creationists at debate. I can tie them. But in courtrooms they are terrible, because in courtrooms you cannot give speeches. In a courtroom you have to answer direct questions about the positive status of your belief. We destroyed them in Arkansas. On the second day of the two-week trial we had our victory party!"
-Stephen Jay Gould

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Jon
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Message 15 of 301 (435622)
11-22-2007 12:51 AM
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11-21-2007 10:11 PM


Why they can't...
CFO:
We did have a topic very similar to this not too long ago (Proof for God's Non-existance?). That topic is now closed, but it does have a lot of points addressed here and there. Maybe folks would want to make sure they don't simply repeat that thread?
As for my opinion on this: The atheists will never be able to show you positive evidence for no-God. Why? Because it doesn't exist. Instead, they will use sophistry to convince you of such malarkey and impossibilities - i.e., they will begin arguing like Biblical Fundamentalist. It really does become quite sad.
Jon

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