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Author Topic:   What Is The Positive Evidence For Atheism?
nator
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Message 226 of 301 (436952)
11-28-2007 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 223 by GDR
11-28-2007 1:06 AM


Re: Who is misreading?
quote:
Do you really think that prayer done as part of a test like that really counts as prayer.

Sure, why wouldn't it?

quote:
Let's all get together and manipulate God.

God would purposefully not intercede in the healing of perfectly innocent sick people just to spite the researchers?

What a dick.

Anyway, how do you tell the difference between a prayer that was answered and a coincidence?

quote:
Prayer is not about trying to beg God into doing our will, although I suppose that is the common perception.

So, you are the arbiter of what prayer is for, suddenly?


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bluegenes
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Message 227 of 301 (436960)
11-28-2007 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by nator
11-28-2007 9:28 AM


Billions of Gods
nator writes:

So, you are the arbiter of what prayer is for, suddenly?

According to the bluegenes theory that each and every theist believes in his or her own God, then of course they must decide what that God does or doesn't do, including the question of whether it answers prayers, and if so, under what circumstances.

Theists are creators of Gods, not the other way around.

Then, some of them have the nerve to ask atheists for positive evidence for lack of belief in the figments of their imagination.

Incidentally, I do have strong evidence for the above mentioned theory, although no absolute proof, of course.


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crashfrog
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Message 228 of 301 (436999)
11-28-2007 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by GDR
11-28-2007 1:06 AM


Re: Who is misreading?
Do you really think that prayer done as part of a test like that really counts as prayer.

Sure. Let's take it one step further, though, and we'll keep the prayer group from knowing that they're part of a test. Would that satisfy your objection? Surely if they don't know it's as a part of some scientific test, their prayers will be sincere.

Let's all get together and manipulate God.

But that's exactly what prayer is - a request for intercession. I mean, God wants us to pray for stuff, does he not? Surely it doesn't matter whether or not a guy with a lab coat had something to do with it?

I don't think God hates science, if he exists. Why do you think he does?

Collins is very convincing isn't he?

I don't know anybody who thinks so. "I saw a frozen waterfall and it convinced me of the historical accuracy of the Gospels" is not a compelling argument.

If this world is such a terrible place then why isn't everyone committing suicide?

Plenty of people are. But I don't think the world is a terrible place. It's just a lot worse than it would be if a benevolent, all-powerful deity was running things. Which means it's pretty obvious that that deity isn't running things.

It seems to me that the good far outweighs the bad.

That's just what I'd expect from the no-god universe. From the universe with God? It falls well short.

This isn't all there is.

So why even have this at all, if it represents essentially a zero fraction of our infinite lives?


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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 229 of 301 (437123)
11-28-2007 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Dr Adequate
11-22-2007 8:00 AM


You're asking for the positive evidence for the nonexistence of something?

I am asking for the evidence supporting Atheism. If it is entirely negative then just say so. Then I will promptly point out that all Atheists are evolutionists (= the positive evidence for Atheism).

Ray


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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 230 of 301 (437124)
11-28-2007 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Dr Adequate
11-22-2007 8:06 AM


No, of course not, don't be silly.

Then what is the evidence supporting your worldview, evolutionist?

Ray


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jar
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Message 231 of 301 (437125)
11-28-2007 10:25 PM
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11-28-2007 10:19 PM


still wondering
Why would you need positive evidence to not believe in kgdftfgali?


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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crashfrog
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Message 232 of 301 (437126)
11-28-2007 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Cold Foreign Object
11-28-2007 10:19 PM


Then I will promptly point out that all Atheists are evolutionists

You've been shown that they aren't. Are you ever going to address those posts?


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Message 233 of 301 (437127)
11-28-2007 10:34 PM


Atheist Hypocrites....
....like Crashfrog, who brag day and night how true evolutionary theory is, but when it comes time to say, "Yeah, it is the positive evidence for our worldview" they are no where to be found.

Crashfrog has said many times that evolution supports the non-existence of God, has he changed his view? Has he departed from his hero Richard Dawkins?

Or has he finally seen "the light" and come to understand that he must deny the obvious because Atheism needs TEists to run cover for their ideology packaged as "science"?

Ray


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crashfrog
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Message 234 of 301 (437128)
11-28-2007 10:36 PM
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11-28-2007 10:34 PM


Re: Atheist Hypocrites....
...like Crashfrog, who brag day and night how true evolutionary theory is, but when it comes time to say, "Yeah, it is the positive evidence for our worldview" they are no where to be found.

Nowhere to be found? I'm right here, posting in your thread. Is there some technical problem where you're not seeing my posts?

Can somebody check on that? I have 10-20 posts in this thread, so it's somewhat strange to be accused of being "nowhere to be found.

You know what I can't seem to find, though? Any place where CFO responds meaningfully to my rebuttals.


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jar
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Message 235 of 301 (437129)
11-28-2007 10:36 PM
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11-28-2007 10:34 PM


Re: Atheist Hypocrites....
Do you ever plan on explaining why positive evidence is needed to not believe in gsddlstlfl?


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 236 of 301 (437131)
11-28-2007 10:40 PM
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11-28-2007 10:33 PM


You've been shown that they aren't. Are you ever going to address those posts?

I did. I pointed out that a crackpot First Cause belief (space aliens) do not negate their evolutionism thereafter. Your question is also a rhetorical point silently attempting to act like the vast majority of Atheists are not evolutionists when they are, silly. You evidently cannot refute.

Ray


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bluegenes
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Message 237 of 301 (437132)
11-28-2007 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Cold Foreign Object
11-28-2007 10:19 PM


CFO writes:

Then I will promptly point out that all Atheists are evolutionists (= the positive evidence for Atheism).

Are all members of animist tribes evolutionists? If so, they're much more advanced in their thinking than you are. Hardly a compliment to them, I suppose.

Perhaps some people don't believe in your God not because of an evidence question so much as because they don't like the idea of stoning other people to death. Do you often stone people to death? Or have you been lax in following the word of your God?


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iceage 
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Message 238 of 301 (437134)
11-28-2007 10:46 PM
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11-28-2007 10:19 PM


All Aethiest are Evolutionist?
Ray writes:

Then I will promptly point out that all Atheists are evolutionists

Then what about all those atheist that existed before Darwin?

Seriously CFO it sounds like you are behind in your med schedule again, or is attacking and being attacked some odd form of self-validation. And how is that paper coming that is going to destroy the ToE?

Edited by iceage, : No reason given.


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Message 239 of 301 (437135)
11-28-2007 10:47 PM
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11-28-2007 10:36 PM


Re: Atheist Hypocrites....
Do you ever plan on explaining why positive evidence is needed to not believe in gsddlstlfl?

Why don't you just say that we have no positive evidence and hope that the average person ignores the fact that the vast majority of Atheists are evolutionists and scientists are Atheist-evolutionists.

Evolution claims to be the positive evidence for Atheism. Denial is about as credible as the DI claiming that ID has nothing to say about God. Both theories are all about God in the extreme opposite directions.

Ray


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Message 240 of 301 (437137)
11-28-2007 10:52 PM
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11-28-2007 10:46 PM


Re: All Aethiest are Evolutionist?
Then what about all those atheist that existed before Darwin?

They were materialists who subscribed to whatever type of transmutation theory existed, whether it was proto-scientific or philosophical like David Hume did.

Ray


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