Try to keep hatred out of our Constitution.

Funny. I haven't said a word about any ancient holy book and my arguments about gay marriage have never rested on it. Ever. That doesn't stop some people from making it up out of whole cloth though.Funny. Lot of posturing about logical fallacies there, no substance. Whole argument is personal and emotional, not a stitch of logic.More and more my suspicion that people just can't think is confirmed.

I see nothing whatsoever to back up that assertion other than your own suspicion.Why on earth would I want to be leaglly married to my room mate? that's ridiculous, the cons far outweigh the pros,
what if we fell out would he get half my possesions?
what If I began seeing a girl? could he divorce me for adultery and take all my possessions?"marriages of convenience" occur in with hetero couples, there is no reason whatsoever to think it would be any more or less likely with same sex couples.

I never said that.How can the same set of rules apply to 2 different things?No matter what happens between nationalities, there will always be differences. This does not make them unequal.One time I wanted to become a union sheet metal worker, I was denied because they said they were only hiring blacks.No matter how hard we try to make things equal, there will always be differences that require special rules to cater to those that need it, so that we may in fact be equal.So, I ask you, when to men get divorced, and there is a child involved, who is the mother?

I just did. No, I won't.It may be from ignorance, but it certainly isn't from hatred, or bigotry. But it is how I feel, and I am not ashamed. I have tried to come to some kind of resolution with it right here on these forums.I grew up around it, I have family who are, I was always taught that it was equal, but yet I don't feel that way. Apples just ain't oranges.Maybe if they found the gay gene, I might have a change of heart. That's a fact.The challenges that a man and a woman face in a marraige will never be the same as man and man, or woman and woman, that is a fact.If we are going to allow it, then we must allow any kind of marraige whatsoever, as long as all involved parties consent.So I wish to marry my whole block, because I love them, and I want them to have benefits. Isn't that obvious by all the difficulties our nation is having with it?

Obviously you haven't had the pleasure of experiencing our family court system first hand?I don't care what the rules are, the man just gets treated like shit.So the joke will be on our court system when to men enter the court room. I would pay to see that one.

Well, basically the issue is health care.Gay people want to be covered on their partner's plan. At least thats what they've been telling me.They need some kind of union for the current plans so they want to be able to get married. Of course there is child custody and legal decisions and such, but like you said, they can be taken care of in other ways.

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It may be from ignorance, but it certainly isn't from hatred, or bigotry. But it is how I feel, and I am not ashamed. I have tried to come to some kind of resolution with it right here on these forums.

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Sorry riVeRraT but once again your only claim for support is your own prejudice, "But it is how I feel, and I am not ashamed."It does not matter whether you ARE ashamed, you should be. Until you can present some reason other than your personal prejudices as a reason to discriminate against other Americans there is no other way to view your behavior than as bigotry.

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All depends on how you choose to define "2 different things", doesn't it? Techincally speaking, black people and white people can be called "2 different things." So can heterosexuals and homosexuals.In either case, it's a bullshit distinction, and boils down to unequal treatment of two groups of the same thing... people. Please explain how outlawing homosexual marriage will make us all equal. Neither. There are two fathers. The one who can offer the child a better quality of life gets custody.You already received an answer to this question, of course. So I'm not sure why you're re-asking it.

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And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied:
You're what happens when two substances collide
And by all accounts you really should have died."
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My suspicion is my reason for not supporting gay marriages. Because he has health insurrance and you don't and it'd be cheaper, for both of you, to add you to his plan, through marriage, than for you to get your own plan. You could have a pre-nup. I think they would be more likely because, personally, I would enter a "marriage of convenience" with a man before I would with a women, all sexualities aside. Personal reasons aren't evidence that it will happen but they are reason enough to not support something.

And if there is then you'll dodge it.

I am aware of one situation where one gay man is footing the bills for the massive health care requirements of his lifelong partner (no, not AIDS, just various problems of aging). Fortunately he is well off, but I think this is the sort of situation you are talking about. It does seem to me that it ought to be possible somehow or other to include a person of your choice in your medical coverage for just such situations of felt obligation to care for that person, and I don't see why it should matter what the nature of the relationship is. How the insurance companies would view this I don't know, but if they are going to have to accommodate to gay "marriages" anyway, they might want to think about how to adapt to it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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More and more my suspicion that people just can't think is confirmed.

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You're right, I can't think.

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Funny. I haven't said a word about any ancient holy book and my arguments about gay marriage have never rested on it. Ever.

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Perhaps I've become more senile than I thought, but I could have sworn you've repeatedly tried to justify your position by referring back to your christianity. That's just a step away from saying "the bible says..."

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Funny. Lot of posturing about logical fallacies there, no substance.

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Appeal to tradition.
Appeal to popularity.
Slipery slope.
False dilemma.To name a few.

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Whole argument is personal and emotional, not a stitch of logic.

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Of course it's personal. We're talking about my fellow citizens, not some numbers or statistics.

so.. I don't see the problem then. you have not explained why it's necessary that someone "Be the mother" in a child custody case.

In general I don't argue about gay marriage based on the Bible or anything to do with my Christian beliefs, and I haven't on this thread. You are no doubt thinking of some other subject.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

A few what? Fallacies you've committed?