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kuresu
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Message 16 of 93 (385765)
02-17-2007 12:16 AM
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02-16-2007 11:57 PM


That its ironic
only if you consider the foetus to be living. i don't have an opinion on that right now, so don't ask. haven't really looked into it--it's not an issue that comes up a lot in international politics.
Generally speaking that would seem to be the case.
actually, neoliberals are all for globalization. not the liberals you mean, though.
btw, i'm against the extension of federal power. it's already to unwieldy, why increase it? oh, and i'm a liberal.
You think that Iran and North Korea have been trying to get hold of nuclear weaponry because of the invasion of Iraq? I'm not seeing the correlation. Can you connect the dots for me?
sure. what's the best time to steal from the cookie jar? when mom's busy scolding your brother and not able to either catch/punish you.
we're tied up in Iraq. why do you think we set a second carrier group to the gulf? because Iran definitely thinks we're busy in Iraq, and can't punish Iran. If we weren't in Iran, sending the second carrier group wouldn't be necessary.
As to the DPRK, looks like they may have been after increasing levels of aid--but then, it's easier to get that when your enemy is busy fighting someone else and can't afford a fight with you.
By the Federal Government though?
butter vs. bullets. I prefer butter. besides, what agency has the reach (and money) to aid art like the feds?
I think the point is that one doesn't make sense without the other. If gender roles are artificial then wouldn't that extend to homosexuality as well?
no. gender roles are the "male bread winner" and the "female homemaker". we put them into place. it's not exactly natural--go back in history, way back when we lived in small groups, and there was a more even and egalitarian split in duties. hell, you can still see that with some Nat. Am. tribes.
homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality. most likely. I haven't heard if they determined whether or not our DNA is invovled. however, our DNA is definitely not involved in making women homemakers and men breadwinners.
Call me old fashion, but I think schools should be going to an actual education. Its the job of parents to teach their kids about sex, not some fruitloop that I didn't give permission to
correct me if I'm wrong, but you have to sign a permission slip saying whether or not you want your kid in sex ed class. At least, you did in my school system. can't remember if it was to remove the kid or permit the kid, though. point is--your kid isn't forced to take sex ed by some "fruitloop".
i'd argue, though, that sex ed is just as real, and important education as the rest. fun fact (and funny)--the one school system in colorado that teaches abstinence only sex ed is the same school system with the highest rate of teen pregnancy in this state. oops.
Just everything else associated with Jesus then
a time and place for everything. you know, the ACLU has defended the rights of christians to display manger scenes (and to not play basketball on sunday). I don't care if you display a manger scene, esp. if it's on your property. if not on your property, though, like, say, public property, could you at least include all the other relavent religions?

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Message 17 of 93 (385768)
02-17-2007 12:29 AM
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02-16-2007 11:57 PM


Hi, NJ.
You think that Iran and North Korea have been trying to get hold of nuclear weaponry because of the invasion of Iraq? I'm not seeing the correlation. Can you connect the dots for me?
Iraq did not have nuclear weapons, and the U.S invaded. If Iraq had had nuclear weapons the U.S would very likely think twice about invading. If Iran and North Korea have nuclear weapons...
Anthropogenic global warming is real. Its caused in part by carbon dioxide and methane gases. We should all stop breathing and eating beans in order to save the environment.
You probably know as well as I do that this is a straw-argument.
...Just everything else associated with Jesus then?
Another straw argument. I don't believe liberals are against "everything associated with Jesus", but everything associated with Jesus on public property.

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ringo
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Message 18 of 93 (385769)
02-17-2007 12:31 AM
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02-16-2007 11:57 PM


nemesis_juggernaut writes:
If gender roles are artificial then wouldn't that extend to homosexuality as well?
What does homosexuality have to do with gender roles?
Males are still males and females are still females.

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Message 19 of 93 (385771)
02-17-2007 12:51 AM
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02-16-2007 11:57 PM


Every pharmaceutical company in the world has vested interests in finding a vaccine. That's beau coup bucks for them.
I am not advocating any kind of conspiracy theory here, just posing a question.
Why would any pharmaceutical company interested solely in "beau coup" bucks (not saying they necessarily are...just following the line of thought) be interested in creating a vaccine or a cure which is a one time investment by individuals and would have to be priced relatively low over creating expensive medicines (cocktails of medicines, even) which have to be taken EVERY DAY by those afflicted.
Disease maintenance seems like it's more of a financial windfall than a vaccine or cure would be.
Edited by Jaderis, : No reason given.

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alacrity fitzhugh
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Message 20 of 93 (385775)
02-17-2007 1:09 AM
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02-16-2007 1:22 PM


quote:
1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.
Support both.
quote:
2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression but governments create prosperity.
Worlds not black or white. Both, if run correct, can be beneficial if not...
quote:
3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens are more of a threat than nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Iran , China and/or North Korea.
Own guns, in fact most of my family does.
quote:
4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.
Nope
quote:
5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUVs.
Climate cycles can be enhanced by other contributing factors.
quote:
6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial, but being homosexual is natural.
The only ones who fall for gender roles are males who are worried about being emasculated .
quote:
7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.
Really, heard it was because of unprotected sex.
quote:
8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
And conservatives feel that that same teacher who cannot teach 4th graders properly should try teaching religion.
quote:
9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but PETA activists do.
Both do in there own way
quote:
11. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it
supports gutting certain parts of the Constitution.
You have to believe the ACLU is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while believing the NRA is good because it
supports allowing automatic weapons.
quote:
10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something that might merit it
Nope
quote:
12. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
8.74 trillion in debt and growing.
quote:
13. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, or Abraham Lincoln.
Nope
quote:
14. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.
Have to leave this alone being NA may make me biased.
quote:
15. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
Socialism goes against human nature.
quote:
16. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag queens and transvestites should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
Could care less about either.
quote:
17. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast right-wing conspiracy.
Right wing stereotype of the left.

six(sic)six

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Message 21 of 93 (385777)
02-17-2007 1:29 AM
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02-16-2007 1:22 PM


You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.
Two completely different issues. But as others have said previously, "So?"
You have to believe that businesses create oppression but governments create prosperity.
I believe both can be, and often are, a source of oppression.
You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens are more of a threat than nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Iran , China and/or North Korea.
I don't support gun control.
You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
I don't know about 4th graders, but I certainly think middle schoolers should have sex ed. Sex is a subject, just like math or history, that they need to learn, and who better to teach them than a trained professional?
You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it
supports gutting certain parts of the Constitution.
Interesting to note, the site Percy linked to in Message 2 doesn't contain the word "gutting".
You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.
I don't think standardized tests are racist. I do, however, think racial quotas are racist.
You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
I don't think socialism will ever work.

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Doddy
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Message 22 of 93 (385787)
02-17-2007 5:03 AM
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02-17-2007 12:16 AM


kuresu writes:
however, our DNA is definitely not involved in making women homemakers and men breadwinners.
au contraire
I think you should read this Scientific American article: His Brain, Her Brain
quote:
Melissa Hines of City University London and Gerianne M. Alexander of Texas A&M University turned to monkeys, one of our closest animal cousins. The researchers presented a group of vervet monkeys with a selection of toys, including rag dolls, trucks and some gender-neutral items such as picture books. They found that male monkeys spent more time playing with the "masculine" toys than their female counterparts did, and female monkeys spent more time interacting with the playthings typically preferred by girls. Both sexes spent equal time monkeying with the picture books and other gender-neutral toys.
Because vervet monkeys are unlikely to be swayed by the social pressures of human culture, the results imply that toy preferences in children result at least in part from innate biological differences. This divergence, and indeed all the anatomical sex differences in the brain, presumably arose as a result of selective pressures during evolution. In the case of the toy study, males--both human and primate--prefer toys that can be propelled through space and that promote rough-and-tumble play. These qualities, it seems reasonable to speculate, might relate to the behaviors useful for hunting and for securing a mate. Similarly, one might also hypothesize that females, on the other hand, select toys that allow them to hone the skills they will one day need to nurture their young.
Edited by Doddy, : fixed French

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Message 23 of 93 (385820)
02-17-2007 10:54 AM
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02-16-2007 1:22 PM


nemesis_juggernaut writes:
4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.
It occurs to me that the Tabernacle, the Ark of the Covenant and Solomon's Temple were all publicly funded.
15. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried....

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Message 24 of 93 (385821)
02-17-2007 11:00 AM
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Equally Broke
Surely you don't believe in socialism! That would mean that we all would drive small cars and that nobody could get rich!

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Message 25 of 93 (385823)
02-17-2007 11:13 AM
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02-16-2007 1:22 PM


Worth noting...
NJ, though an email like the one you shared is meant to poke fun at contradictions and is therefore inflamatory. It is interesting that black and white thinking is used by us all. You are pointing out is lack of lucidity, and those defending it are excluding lucidity as always meaningful to debate. It all gets very confusing. And confusion is not of God.
I have been accused of not using my own words. For what it's worth, here's my take on analyzing the heart of the situation. It is the heart of Savage Philosophy and contradictions.
Hope you don't mind that it's prefabbed...
Savage Philosophy ”The Wheel of Religion’ and Liberalism as a Mental Disorder
Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
Exclusivity, Choice, and Contradictions
For those of you familiar with the conservative radio talk show host Michael Savage, you are likely aware of his controversial style. He makes no apologies for his views, and calls things as he sees them. That is what we should all do (as Jesus said, ”let our yes be yes, and our no, no’), but that does not mean by necessity that we posses a coherent philosophy.
I have personally been a fan of Mr. Savage’s radio show and thinking for at least 10 years, and have read at least one of his books and found it very informative, entertaining, and highly accurate. In my opinion, he is generally a very clear thinker who is logically demanding. But on one issue (two really), it is also my opinion that he appears to be suffering from what he, himself, calls ”a mental disorder’ (liberalism) and has been subsequently seduced by the illogical thinking that meanders from such inherent contradictions. It is his ”Wheel of Religion’, and ”Liberalism as a Mental Disorder’ that I wish to address.
Recently, Mr. Savage has spoken quite openly and plainly of his inability and unwillingness to accept religious philosophies that claim to be exclusively true. He finds such exclusivity unacceptable, and to a point most of us would agree, since extremism is not in and of itself, a virtue. If it were, then certainly the Islamic Fundamentalists would have all of us beaten quite handsomely. As a substitute for what so many find to be offensive and narrow philosophies, he has offered a simple analogy, and he calls it, ”The Wheel of Religion’.
He asks his audience to imagine a wheel. And the spokes of that wheel represent the religions of the world and the hub represents God. The premise is simple; all spokes lead to God. And in this way, it is implied, that we should view other religious methodologies as equal to our own in leading to peace. This philosophy is presupposed to be less antagonistic and tolerant by avoiding a claim of exclusivity over something that is so deeply personal and uniquely treasured in a person’s life and culture.
What I want to do here is make three main points:
1. Truth (by definition) is exclusive.
2. All philosophies such as ”The wheel of Religion’ are exclusive.
3. How we choose a coherent worldview.
1. Truth by definition is exclusive. Probably the simplest illustration of this is mathematics. There are an infinite number of numbers available to us conceptually. The largest figure I have heard of is called a ”Google’. But the point is that out of all of those possible numbers, only one of them is the correct solution to the problem 1+1+1=y. And the solution to that problem is the number 3. They way we arrive there is with consistent logic.
The main function of the exclusivity of truth is to exclude the incorrect answer or answers. In philosophy, the alternative answer is often the polar opposite of the solution. When we arrive at an answer accurately (logically) we can, with clear understanding, see the answer and make practical application of the knowledge.
2.’ The Wheel of life’, as with all philosophy, excludes alternative solutions to the metaphysical problem that faces all men. If the wheel of life is ”the way, and the truth’, then the claim of Jesus Christ that, ”I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me’, must be false. And the reason is simple. Jesus said that we can only come to God by Him, and the Wheel of life excludes that solution by saying that we can come to God by any religion we are cultured in.
So, all philosophy is exclusive by definition, simply because it presupposes itself to be the truth. There may be overlap and agreement on certain truths within differing worldviews, but ultimately they divide and become opposed to one another in their foundational presumptions.
3. When choosing a worldview, we must look for coherence. If it is found to be contradictory, then it must be assumed to be false (it is illogical). So when we are offered such a worldview as ”The Wheel of Religions’; one that is invented with the sole intention of freeing us from exclusivity, then we can immediately recognize the problem. It defeats itself, because it must then claim itself to be ”the way, the truth and the life.’ That is the nature and inescapable implication of philosophy and truth. We cannot have it both ways.
Now this presents an interesting opportunity when deciding what to believe in terms of truth claims. How can we choose at all without excluding something else? So I ask you, ”what is wiser to choose’? A worldview which is peddled by men who are unaware of their own claim to exclusivity? Or a worldview that is offered by a man who is fully aware of Himself and makes no apology for the clarity and sufficiency of His providence?
If you make a choice . you will exclude the opposites! If you choose not to choose, then you exclude the possibility of knowing the truth to begin with. And that begs the question, "then how do you know that that you can’t know'?
That’s what choice is all about. We have a lot of things available to us in this world, but we certainly would not be wise to choose some of them, or all. It would plainly be illogical. We have turned reality (which is really theology) into our theories of philosophy. So keep that in mind when dealing with the word ”Philosophy’. Our philosophy is our worldview is our religion, and it is either real, or contrived. If it is real, it is not religion, but simply Christ.
A famous Catholic theologian spoke on this issue around the turn of the 20th century. His name was G.K. Chesterton. And this quote is one of my personal favorites:
“ . philosophy is either eternal or it is not philosophy. The modern habit of saying ”This is my opinion, but I may be wrong’ is entirely irrational. If I say that it may be wrong, I say that is not my opinion. The modern habit of saying ”Every man has a different philosophy; this is my philosophy and it suits me’ (the habit of saying this is mere weak-mindedness). A cosmic philosophy is not constructed to fit a man; a cosmic philosophy is constructed to fit a cosmos. A man can no more possess a private religion than he can possess a private sun and moon”.
(Introduction to THE BOOK OF JOB "Man is most comforted by paradoxes." by G.K. Chesterton)
Now, there is one more thing I would like to say about ”Savage Philosophy’, and it is in regard to ”Liberalism as a Mental Disorder’. Dr. Savage has mentioned on numerous occasions that it is not just Democrats (or self styled Liberals) who suffer from this condition, but also Republicans (and self styled Conservatives), and to an alarming degree, our whole culture. I think he is onto something absolutely pivotal, but he has phrased it as a half truth to some degree.
The mental disorder we all suffer from to one extent or another is really just the illogical out-workings caused by avoiding certain realities in our own thinking. And these are the result of our sin. The true condition is called ”Sin’. And it is this ”Spiritual Disorder’ that Michael Savage partially diagnoses with his tepid description ”Liberalism is a Mental Disorder’.
As a result of only partially diagnosing the ”real’ problem (in all of us), Dr. Savage falls into the same trap that so many have fallen into, and that is of throwing stones. The Liberals blame the Conservatives. The Jews blame the Muslims. The ACLU blames the ”Christian Right’. The Father blames the Mother. The Son blames the Father. And everyone lives ”unhappily’ ever after.
The real solution to the problems of man, lies in each individual’s responsibility to look into the mirror of God’s law (The Ten Commandments) and see for himself what he truly is; and it is in ”the light’ of that reality (that is logically undeniable) that we can fist begin to realize what it is Jesus Christ was trying to tell us all along. ”He is the way, the truth, and the Life. And that no man comes to the Father but by truth’ (Him)!
“The depravity of man is at once, the most empirically verifiable reality. Yet at the same time, it is the most intellectually resisted fact.” (Malcomb Muggeridge)
If you are honest in your own heart, you will hear His words clearly, and He counsels us to give it up. Our hollow philosophies do not really even convince us, let alone an all seeing God who loved us enough to die in our stead. The problem with the world is not our enemies. The problem with the world is you and me. Until we accept that, we cannot begin to participate in the solution. We will only throw stones and accuse our neighbor of the very things we are guilty of ourselves.

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Message 26 of 93 (385824)
02-17-2007 11:22 AM
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Re: Equally Broke
Phat writes:
Surely you don't believe in socialism!
Look to your left. See the American lefties? Way beyond them, see a bunch of guys in toques and parkas? That's the Canadian Conservative Party.
Now get out your binoculars. Look way beyond them, and way beyond the guys who are beyond them and way beyond the guys who are way beyond those guys.
That's me waving.
Edited by Ringo, : Ye olde spellinge.

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Message 27 of 93 (385826)
02-17-2007 11:58 AM
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Re: Equally Broke
Ringo writes:
Look to your left. See the American lefties? Way beyond them, see a bunch of guys in toques and parkas? That's the Canadian Conservative Party.
Now get out your binoculars. Look way beyond them, and way beyond the guys who are beyond them and way beyond the guys who are way beyond those guys.
That's me waving.
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Message 28 of 93 (385830)
02-17-2007 12:50 PM
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02-16-2007 11:57 PM


You think that Iran and North Korea have been trying to get hold of nuclear weaponry because of the invasion of Iraq? I'm not seeing the correlation. Can you connect the dots for me?
If you saw a crazed psycho running down the street stabbing everyone he met, wouldn't you remove your handgun from your purse and ready yourself for the fight? I mean, it's not like you can just pick up your country and run inside.
quote:
You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.
No, just that more art is a good thing, so it should probably be funded.
By the Federal Government though?
I guess we could always ask Britain to fund it for us.
You believe that we should pump money into the schools so we can effectively teach children to read. While they're there, it's probably a good idea for them to learn about sex.
Call me old fashion, but I think schools should be going to an actual education. Its the job of parents to teach their kids about sex, not some fruitloop that I didn't give permission to.
Then let the parents teach, and when the kids get to school, they will be a good week ahead of the rest of the students whose parents were too busy working two jobs just so they could pay for the food and rent which aren't completely covered by the low government funding for such things that help people with low incomes and requires that they still slave like mine monkeys.
J0N1CU5

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Message 29 of 93 (385831)
02-17-2007 12:57 PM
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02-17-2007 12:16 AM


only if you consider the foetus to be living.
????
What else is a fetus? Inorganic matter? Of course they are "living." Do you think a fetus magically comes alive when he/she passes through the birth canal?
actually, neoliberals are all for globalization. not the liberals you mean, though.
There are many shades of liberalism that in some cases seem to be a dichotomy, such as the transition from Red to Green. Which liberals do you think I was referring to?
quote:
You think that Iran and North Korea have been trying to get hold of nuclear weaponry because of the invasion of Iraq? I'm not seeing the correlation. Can you connect the dots for me?
sure. what's the best time to steal from the cookie jar? when mom's busy scolding your brother and not able to either catch/punish you.
I didn't see that as being the reason listed by Dan. Not that matters because both nations have been caught stealing not just a few cookies, but the whole jar.
we're tied up in Iraq. why do you think we set a second carrier group to the gulf? because Iran definitely thinks we're busy in Iraq, and can't punish Iran. If we weren't in Iran, sending the second carrier group wouldn't be necessary.
Okay, well if that's what you mean, I agree with you. There is little doubt in my mind that Abamandndidinahidadajad (did I spell that correctly ) feels like the US military is stretched thin.
butter vs. bullets. I prefer butter. besides, what agency has the reach (and money) to aid art like the feds?
The function of the government is clearly defined in the Constitution. Art isn't anywhere in that. I love art as much as the next guy, but that is a personal endeavor, not a government subsidized program. To me that's like the government funding the next Ozzy tour because music is an art form. It seems wholly inappropriate.
gender roles are the "male bread winner" and the "female homemaker". we put them into place. it's not exactly natural--go back in history, way back when we lived in small groups, and there was a more even and egalitarian split in duties. hell, you can still see that with some Nat. Am. tribes.
What are talking about? Wasn't this characterization exacerbated by the evolutionary point of view of hunter-gatherers? History definitely tells us of strong gender roles throughout many different cultures that never came in to contact with one another. Nature doled out those roles, but some people want to pretend that they are the concoction of of organized religion.
homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality. most likely. I haven't heard if they determined whether or not our DNA is invovled. however, our DNA is definitely not involved in making women homemakers and men breadwinners.
There is no determinant cause for homosexuality. They've been looking in to that for some time, which tells me that there are probably numerous factors, such as a conglomerate of psychology and physiology. Mostly psychological I would say. As far as gender roles are concerned, this push to androgenize the lot of us seems to make no sense. If we are supposed to consolidate the sexes where the sexes are virtually identical, then that would nullify homo and heterosexuality. If males are attracted to other men, that's because they desire male attributes sexually, right? If straight men like women its because they desire female attributes sexually, right? If we turn in to this androgenous lump, would there even be sexuality? If so, what would it look like?
i'd argue, though, that sex ed is just as real, and important education as the rest. fun fact (and funny)--the one school system in colorado that teaches abstinence only sex ed is the same school system with the highest rate of teen pregnancy in this state.
I don't think schools should teach either. I think schools should be worried about teaching mathematics, science, history, language, etc. Things like drivers ed and sex ed should be something that parents should be teaching their kids. Schools should be focused on more specialized things.
a time and place for everything. you know, the ACLU has defended the rights of christians to display manger scenes (and to not play basketball on sunday). I don't care if you display a manger scene, esp. if it's on your property. if not on your property, though, like, say, public property, could you at least include all the other relavent religions?
If that much time is invested on a plastic or ceramic baby Jesus, think of how much more worthwhile their lives could be invested in actual things of interest. If that is taboo then how do you feel about firehouses, police stations, or other forms of local governments that take it upon themselves to support presidential elections? I have seen numerous government institutions that openly supported John Kerry in the 2004 elections. Is it more appropriate for a government entity to openly support a specific candidate than it is to traditionally display a manger on a holiday DEDICATED to Christ???? The holiday is a religious one.

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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Dan Carroll
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02-17-2007 6:53 PM
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02-16-2007 11:57 PM


That its ironic.
Don't see how. Perhaps you could explain it.
Generally speaking that would seem to be the case.
If you say so.
You think that Iran and North Korea have been trying to get hold of nuclear weaponry because of the invasion of Iraq? I'm not seeing the correlation. Can you connect the dots for me?
We name three countries as enemies of the US. We then invade one of them. The other two are not stupid.
By the Federal Government though?
Sure, why not?
Anthropogenic global warming is real. Its caused in part by carbon dioxide and methane gases. We should all stop breathing and eating beans in order to save the environment.
I'm sure it would be funnier if liberals actually said this. Sorry to spoil your fun.
If gender roles are artificial then wouldn't that extend to homosexuality as well?
Do you know what a gender role is? Sexuality isn't one.
But there already is an exorbitant amount of funding. Every pharmaceutical company in the world has vested interests in finding a vaccine. That's beau coup bucks for them.
Yes, now. Of course, the complaints about the federal government and AIDS research were during the eighties, when it wasn't the case.
Call me old fashion, but I think schools should be going to an actual education. Its the job of parents to teach their kids about sex, not some fruitloop that I didn't give permission to.
Congrats. We disagree. But the contradiction that amused you so much is a complete fiction.
I don't like sport hunters at all. I think its a pointless, machismo endeavor. However, I think PETA goes overboard.
Congrats. We agree. The contradiction that amused you so much is a complete fiction.
I think the writer is poking fun at the celebration of mediocrity.
I wasn't aware liberals celebrated mediocrity. Weird.
That's not how it works.
"Nuh-uh" to you too, then.
No, its just a joke. The writer is probably wondering why Sanger and Steinem are more celebrated than people who have made actual contributions to society.
Interesting. Except that, as I just said, liberals do celebrate those people, especially Jefferson. So it's a joke based on a false premise. It would be like me making jokes on how totally gay you are. Doesn't work... you're straight.
Excuse me? The time somebody cracked open my skull? I've never said anything like at all.
You responded to Jaderis' tale of getting her skull cracked open by saying, "Yeah, but most of us have experienced some sort of violence over our beliefs or even things we can't change..."
Here, if you can't remember.
I asked you to share your similar tale of woe.
Just everything else associated with Jesus then?
Exactly, NJ. Good work, well thought out. That's why we outlawed Christmas and legalized the murder of priests.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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