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Dr Jack
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Message 16 of 20 (350187)
09-19-2006 5:57 AM
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09-18-2006 9:32 AM


When corrected for economic background, Blacks outperform Whites is educational acheivement (in a manner that is both significant and statistically significant).

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Message 17 of 20 (350212)
09-19-2006 8:11 AM
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09-19-2006 5:57 AM


Do you have a citation for that? I have not heard of such results and am interested.

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Dr Jack
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Message 18 of 20 (350250)
09-19-2006 10:25 AM
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09-19-2006 8:11 AM


My source is The Economist. I don't think I still have a copy of the issue it was in, to give you a better cite than that though.
I did find this, although it was not quite what I looking for. It compares educational performance among boys receiving free school meals in the UK. You can see black boys on free school meals (which are, effectively, a poverty measure) do slightly better than White British children on the same.
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Message 19 of 20 (350288)
09-19-2006 12:00 PM
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Message 20 of 20 (350290)
09-19-2006 12:01 PM
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09-19-2006 10:25 AM


I'm not going to hold you responsible for the quality of the study, but the one at the link seemed less than conclusive about anything except a specific batch of students during a single year.
That is not to mention there was no way to narrow down what might have been causative factors. It could very well be that different cultures in the households might explain the differing results.
As it is they seem to cite another study (more localized) which shows a different result, and the conclusion of the article seemed to be down on Black performance.
What I took away from the article is not so much that black perform better, but rather that one cannot make the claim that race cannot be used to label people as inherently worse at something.
I read something once about black tank units in WW2. It was assumed they were too stupid to run tanks and so they were kept behind and did nothing but train train train. When they finally were put into the field they excelled beyond white tank units in performance. I think the same thing happened for black air units too.

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