Israel/Lebanon/Gaza conflict (continuation thread)

Holy Nationalist Supremacy, Batman!There shouldn't even be mediation between terrorists and a nation. That legitimizes what is only criminal activity on the colonials' part. The British general who spoke on the colonials' attacks gave this opinion too. Link in {msg=1776} in case you missed it.Lucky for Israel...they managed to bomb their way to statehood before the rules changed.

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Good point. Too late for that. The U.S. should have refrained from considering massive civilian caualities acceptable "collateral damage." Liberators do not threaten your children with torture and rape, or bomb apartment buildings and kill dozens of women and children on the off chance that a few enemies might be there. We did that in Vietnam. Didn't work. It's hard to win the hearts and minds when you blow up the bodies. Yes. Both the Dresden fire storm and Hiroshima were unnecessary bloody revenge. No, kill kill kill is really pretty simple. Hasn't worked yet. What does Christ say about it, Ian?How many times has Israel tried the Hammer of God Solution? Ms. Rice sees "the birth pangs of a new Middle East" among th cluster bombs strafing fleeing Lebanese civilians; Kissinger made similar remarks in 1982--the birthing then was of Hezbollah. What do you think is being born amidst the rubble now--surrender? Not bloody likely.

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No comparison? NONE? How can that be? What an odd assertion.People have a right to self-determination. Freedom entails the power to choose, not the opportunity to imitate another. Even now, the U.S. is learning that a democratic Iraq may not be such a cozy toady. It's a case of being careful what you wish for...Approximately one-third of the colonists supported independence. Opponents were burnt out, murdered, or otherwise run out of town. The primary financial support came from merchants who sought the wealth freedom from British taxes would bring--the initial revolts were ENTIRELY about taxes, not ideology.The current administration supports Russia's suppression of national movements for independence in the former USSR satellites--those underground fighters, according to both Bush and Putin, are terrorists. Once having gained independence, the U.S. has cynically opposed similar aspirations around the world.The American Revolution has taken on a considerable gloss of feel-good jingoistic fuzziness, but it was no less oriented to a calculus of wealth and power, slaving and conquest. You want to dress up America's history in vaseline-lensed, soft focus gooshiness, while being brutally real-politik about others. The former is false, and the latter has failed, over and over.Extermination might work in Lebanon. Would you support it?Edited by Omnivorous, : one letter

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Really? Christianity has no bearing on the conduct of nations?Nations and peoples around the world suffer greater depredations than Israel, but only Israel plays a role in an even bloodier vision of Christian destiny. That's the real reason, yes?Sixty odd years ago, Christians couldn't be bothered to save Jews from death camps; thirty years ago, American Catholics and Protestants alike discriminated against the "dirty Jews"... Now that the religious right holds some reins of power, and promotes Israel's role in the Apocalypse, the equation has changed.It's not about Israel's righteousness, it's about your apocalyptic notions. They are all--Israelis and Lebanese alike--a means to an end for you.

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Please note that we have not been able to suppress terrorists/insurgents in Iraq despite tens of thousands of civilian deaths--30,000 by Bush's count, ~50,000 by everyone else's...How many Lebanese women and children stand between an unfettered Israel and peace? You believe Israel should just kill until they obtain an abject surrender? If that hasn't worked in Iraq--like it never worked in Vietnam--why do you think the slaughter of civilians can achieve peace in the Middle East?

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God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ”Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’
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