Israel/Lebanon/Gaza conflict (continuation thread)

but repentance isn't national. it's personal.

Please note that we have not been able to suppress terrorists/insurgents in Iraq despite tens of thousands of civilian deaths--30,000 by Bush's count, ~50,000 by everyone else's...How many Lebanese women and children stand between an unfettered Israel and peace? You believe Israel should just kill until they obtain an abject surrender? If that hasn't worked in Iraq--like it never worked in Vietnam--why do you think the slaughter of civilians can achieve peace in the Middle East?

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israel has been spreading propaganda for years about the "global islamic conspiracy" to "take over the world" and especially to "destroy israel". they say that the muslims "do not value human life" and such things. this is what we call demonizing and it's the same words used by nazis in regard to jews, gypsys, slavs, and so forth. it's the same words used by the hutus aganst the tutsis. it's all the same and it's all hogwash. there is no global conspiracy of any kind. there are a limited number of whackos who should be captured and locked away so that neither they nor their deaths can influence others.what does demonizing have to do with it? because irael is continuing this cycle of name calling that has produced the kind of activity they made up. there was no global conspiracy, but since they insist on randomly bombarding another country that had just begun to stabilize their government and may or may not recover from this (i'm sure with no assistance from israel) and killing just as many civilians as they think they can get away with, they are creating ANOTHER generation of children who remember their friends or their parents dead bodies and the israeli uniforms that killed them. this is how it works. this is how it continues. if they bothered to work with civilians instead of shooting at them, they might solve the problem. if there is no support base, the whackos have no power. like i've said a million times. if there are no poor, no underprivileged, robin hood is out of a job.

The prophet Daniel repented on behalf of Israel, as did other prophets. American Presidents have even called for a national day of repentance and prayer in the past, I'd have to look up who. Lincoln I think, and maybe Teddy Roosevelt but I could be wrong. In any case now that we are no longer a Christian nation I guess we can't do it anyway. The nation's safety then depends on the churches.

so you don't support a federally funded army?

And we'll be even less able to suppress them if we don't fight them. What is your point?My position has been that if the UN and the world in general would denounce terrorism in no uncertain terms and all stand ready to back it up with force if necessary, the whole thing would be over very soon. As long as people defend the terrorists as if they were legitimate, no peace will ever happen. An article Front Page Mag suggests that in fact this is going to lead to World War III, and I'm afraid I see how that is likely to happen. I linked to that article in Message 198. No Lebanese women and children. They are the victims of Hezbollah, not Israel. I think they should knock out all Hezbollah's infrastructure until they can't fight any more. No civilians are being slaughtered except those Hezbollah has kept in harm's way. See the map in my Message 198. A minuscule part of Beirut has been attacked.Some wars may not be winnable, but the opposition to them makes it all the harder.But again, it is the attitude of the UN and the world in general that is preventing us from having a chance against the terrorists. The attitude of appeasement and treating them as legitimate is deadly.Stop terrorism, you stop most of the present day conflicts in the world.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Stick to the context. We're talking about repentance, not armies.

Actually I don't recognize that the Nazis gave a fig about "valuing human life" so I think you can remove that one from your list. I also don't recall any accusation that the Slavs, who the Nazis characterized as an inferior race, had any interest in taking over the world.Demonizing means telling lies, character assassination. There is EVIDENCE in the case of Islam, that has been posted here from time to time, quotations from their own leaders, that their ultimate aim is to rid the world of Israel. This is not propaganda, this is plain fact. Palestinian maps are drawn without any sign of Israel's existence. It is also fact that Islam calls for the eventual subjugation of the world by Allah, and by any tactics necessary. Fact, not propaganda. Your breathtaking sweep of allegations is matched only by your carelessness about facts. You didn't even have the right words for what the Nazis said. I haven't heard anyone mention a conspiracy. But there is no question that Islam has the ultimate aim of subjugating the entire world for Allah. The only thing made up around here is your ridiculous allegations. Hardly. Have you read any of my links in Message 198? They don't shoot at civilians. You are believing a lie. And how do you work with "civilians" who at any moment may pull a gun on you or set off the bomb he/she has wrapped around himself? Your view of the situation is sheer fantasy.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Well if the Lebanese civilians can be expected to flee to their countrymen up North to avoid being caught up in the hostilities why can't the civilians in Northern Israel flee to their countrymen in the South?By the way, although it appears not have been a problem yet - although that's no guarantee of the future - the inhabitants of Southern Lebanon are mostly Shia whereas the population Northwards is mostly Druze, Christian or Sunni. It's not that long since these groups were at each other's throats in a bloddy civil war.

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there was/is evidence for the jews having a worldwide conspiracy too. after all, they control the american media, they work in finance and government. they "started" both marxism and neo-conservativism.evidence is in the eye of the beholder, especially about people and heir intentions. do you want me to produce my paper on the rwandan genocide and their use of conspiracy speech?
i also didn't use german words. you gonna yell at me for that? which is no different than your aim to subjugate the world to the will of god... except that you think your god is the right one. your desire to restrict my rights based on your book is the same as their alleged desire to restrict my rights based on their book. yes, and i'm unconcerned with your minimization of the fact tat in the last twenty days the israelis have killed three times as many civilians as have died in israel in the same time. and for what? unprovable "set-ups" and more conspiracy theories. so is yours. you're right. they just fire very large missiles at whole cities and hope they manage to hit someone who might look like a hezbulluh member. you help create schools and jobs and marketplaces so that people can provide for themselves and create an equal society so that there is no support for a domineering resistance force.

Because Israel has been giving warning, which gives time to evacuate, but Hezbollah doesn't. And they don't have to go so far as all that. Look at the map of Beirut in my Message 198. They just have to walk a few blocks to be safe. Your point?

Just for completeness I should point out that Lewis MacKenzie, the Major-General in question, retired 13 years ago and more recently has been involved in politics (in 1997 he stood for the centre-right Progressive Conservative party in the Canadian federal elections and it's not impossible he would have been Deputy Prime Minister had his party won power).His views should be taken in the context of his right wing politics at least as much as his military experience.

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The evidence in the case of Islam is their own words. Real evidence. Stated intentions, actual words, are real evidence. YOu don't have a point about any of it. Garbled wild accusation. Christianity has no such aim. But it is a stated goal of Islam, and eliminating Israel from the earth, refusal to recognize its existence, is likewise evidenced in actual statements. Sin all you want. Nobody's stopping you. But they would put you in a burka and kill you for certain sins. The hoopla about Jenin being a massacre was eventually proved to have been nothing of the sort. Past actions have been proved. Learn from them. That is exactly the sort of thing Israel is good at. But you are misdiagnosing the problem. They don't want Israeli help. They don't want a state. They simply don't want Israel to exist at all. They want Israel dead.

Obviously you didn't listen to the interview in which he showed claerly that he is no typical conservative. That was a one-issue campaign and he doesn't identify himself as a conservative. Listen to the interview. The guy is levelheaded and honest.

if you ban abortion and gay marriage and evolution in schools like the fundies want to do, you are stopping me from living my life. Edited by AdminJar, : No reason given.