Help me find a hypocrite!

Why is Al Gore always the target of Zombie Lies That Will Not Die? First the whole "invented the internet" B.S., now this.Gore's family home is not just some family home. It is:1) home to his office, with staff working for him,
2) home to his wife's office, with staff working for her,
3) in a region with large annual shifts in temperature (cold winters, hot summers)
4) Has high security requirements and security staff on premisesFor the situation, the home is very, very energy efficient. In fact, his per-foot usage is very average for Tennessee, remarkable considering the conditions, and his total use only 2 to 3x the average for his region.

Ah, Doddy, I meant to reply to you in Message 12.Summary: that's a load of bull. Details in message 12.

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The best place to view a hypocrite is in the mirror.

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Oh, yeah? Well, I'm rubber and you're glue, and what ever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!There, that oughta settle that.

If Edwards was telling people "you should get cheap haircuts because it isn't nice to spend lots of money on haircuts when there are poor children in the world", then he'd be a hypocrite.As it is, I find the fuss rather hard to fathom.Actually I don't. It's just part of the "Liberals are effete" meme.

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What about so-called liberals who ask us to be offended on their behalf if their elected president tells them something that turns out not to be true, who then turn around and say a 'strongman' in the Saddam Hussein mold is just fine for the people of Iraq?"

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Name one person who has said that Hussein was "just fine for the people of Iraq".Not "wasn't our place to use our military to attack him", not "there were worse dictators we could target if our aim was to liberate a people", not "the case against Hussein was exaggerated to hide the administration's true agenda".But Saddam Hussein was "just fine for the people of Iraq".Never heard of such a person.

Actually, I think there's good reason to argue that - in current American politics - the right IS the natural home of hypocrisy.Strict 100.00% monopolies, of course not. I'm sure everyone is a little hypocritical in some sense.But Nuggin is talking about a special kind of hypocrisy - where an actual leader holds himself (and "him" as opposed to "her" is the very dominant pattern) as a special spokesman against X, even when indulging in activity X. This is something out of the ordinary.The hypocrisy that Nuggin is zooming in on isn't really about debatable, shades of gray cases.They're -
Homosexuals are an abomination! (Excuse me while I pay a male prostitute to fellate me).Child porn is a scourge on this nation! (Excuse me while I scam on this young girl).Drug Addicts should be thrown in jail for life! (Excuse me while I get my fix...)This is not normal hypocrisy. This is a type of blatant, pathological hypocrisy that most people are more or less incapable of. NORMAL people simply don't boldly, purposefully, put themselves in such situations. Hypocrisy is NOT equally distributed among all humansAccording to Bob Altemeyer, as I read him, (and I fully admit to not yet even finishing the relevant chapter from his online book, The Authoritarians) this is the type of hypocrisy linked to a distinctive personality type - the Right Wing Authoritarian leader (but not Authoritarian followers.)Authoritarianism is not always linked to the political right - but in current North American politics, it most certainly is.So I really don't think Nuggin is just playing a "My Tribe Good, Your Tribe Bad" game. I think he's spotting a real phenomenon.Edited by Zhimbo, : spellingEdited by Zhimbo, : changed 'a' to 'I'.

Ok...Sooo...who is saying that a strongman in the Hussein mold is "just fine" for the people of Iraq?Not a "realistic compromise", or whatever, but "just fine"?Edited by Zhimbo, : bold --> mold. Sorry, hab a code.

Fine. Remove my qualification.Tell me someone who said it was "just fine".But you misinterpret my "reasonable compromise" statement. That is NOT my term for anything.Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.

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"you said you wanted an example of someone taking this position that could not also be construed as someone making a 'realistic compromise.'"

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No, I didn't, but I was quite terse, so let me elaborate.I meant to indicate that the hypothetical person in question was saying that a Saddam-style strongman was "realistic compromise". Not that *I* was saying that the person's opinion itself was a realistic compromise.If the person believed it was a "realistic compromise" given the context, then that person would not be hypocritical. If person X said "Bush lies, and that is bad" and said "given the geopolitical and historical context, only a strongman is likely to give stability in Iraq at this time", I am not personally claiming that is realistic/reasonable, just that the person is NOT holding contradictory opinions, and thus isn't hypocritical.Now, if they said a strongman would be "just fine", then that would be.You have not presented such a person.

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I cannot show you one kind of compromise that could not be argued as the other.

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Really? How about the based-on-reality examples I gave in the message you skipped over?Is there a 'reasonable compromise' argument for Ted Haggard's hypocrisy? I haven't heard one.Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/...ter/2007/04/senior_official.html"Deputy Secretary of State Randall L. Tobias submitted his resignation Friday, one day after confirming to ABC News that he had been a customer of a Washington, D.C. escort service whose owner has been charged by federal prosecutors with running a prostitution operation."
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"As a top official overseeing global AIDS funding to other countries, Tobias was responsible for enforcing a U.S. policy, enacted during the Bush administration, that requires recipients to swear they oppose prostitution and sex trafficking."OK, granted, he claims he only had "gals" come over to give him a massage. Of course. In the way that Haggard only bought meth but didn't use it. Got it.Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.

link In case you aren't up on this case - his defense was that he was intimidated by the stocky black guy (the undercover cop) in the public restroom, and that explains why he offered the stocky black man $20 to perform fellatio on him (Allen fellate stocky black man, not vice versa).The Daily Show video at the link goes into the whole blatant hypocrisy thing at some length...Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.