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Taz
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Message 30 of 160 (396321)
04-19-2007 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by ramoss
04-19-2007 12:37 PM


Re: Al Gore?
From your link
quote:
"It's obviously easier to build a green home from the get-go," she said. "When you purchase an older home, these retrofits take a lot longer."
The article forgot to address the point that not everyone has the money and time to "upgrade" their homes and things to be environmentally friendly.

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Taz
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Message 36 of 160 (396588)
04-21-2007 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Trae
04-20-2007 5:04 AM


Re: Al Gore?
Trae writes:
As well as ignores the environmental 'cost' of building a new home.
I've been saying this for years but always get put down by my fellow liberal fruitcakes.
It costs nonrenewable energy to produce devices that produce renewable energy. Wind mills didn't grow out of the ground by themselves.
People can call me a pessimist if they want, I just simply don't see how we will solve the environmental factor in the near future. Everything costs nonrenewable energy, mostly fossil fuel. The only effective way to help solve some of our environmental problems is not use the energy at all.

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Taz
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Message 42 of 160 (396688)
04-21-2007 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Trae
04-21-2007 3:26 AM


Re: Al Gore?
Trae writes:
The news has been reporting on zinc mined in Canada, shipped to Wales for refining, then China, before being shipped to Japan just to get the batteries for a Prius.
Which is why the whole hybrid-cars-being-environmentally-friendly bullshit that's been hyped up by everyone is just a commercial tactic to get people to buy these cars. People drive these cars thinking they are helping to divert environmental disasters. What they don't know is that the environmental "costs" to make these cars are just the same or even more than normal cars. There's no escape. Even if tomorrow everyone decides to put a windmill in his backyard, the environmental "costs" to make these windmills will just be the same, if not worse, than if they just use nuclear energy.

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Taz
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Message 58 of 160 (396936)
04-23-2007 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by nator
04-21-2007 6:57 PM


Re: Al Gore?
And I take it those windmills grew out of the ground and flew to the US all the way from Spain by themselves?

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Taz
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Message 62 of 160 (396948)
04-23-2007 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by nator
04-23-2007 2:12 PM


Re: Al Gore?
As far as more environmentally friendly technology goes, the U.S. of A. is behind other developed nations, especially the Western European nations. So far, most of the windmills in operation in the U.S. are made in Spain first and then shipped here. They are monitored by people in Spain via sattelite.
U.S. energy companies started investing in windmills not because they wanted to but because they were pressured to.
But for the moment let us forget about the environmental costs for making these windmills in the first place. Windmills actually are causing some ecological as well as a little bit of psychological affects. Bats are being killed by the moving blades, and some people have claimed that the fast moving, hardly noticable shadows of the blades are causing them to have psychological problems.
Last I checked, they are looking into some kind of device that drives away the bats. The psychological problems aren't that big of a deal so they are being ignored.
Anyway, there's your next project. You can campaign for U.S. companies to invest more in developing the technology so we can produce our own windmills.
Added by edit after seeing your edit.
Sure, we make them here. Doesn't mean our companies can outcompete with the more experienced companies in Europe.
Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given.

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Taz
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Message 65 of 160 (397122)
04-24-2007 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by nator
04-23-2007 3:28 PM


Re: Al Gore?
And my point has always been that while windmills and nucular reactors are not equivalent as far as environmental impact goes, they both do have environmental impacts, nonetheless, even if those impacts are in different sectors of the environment.
Look, we often point out how conservatives like to mislead and give out half-truths to achieve their own ends. I am simply providing a counter balance for the liberal side. Yes, windmills are environmentally more friendly than nuclear reactors. No, windmills are not completely environmentally friendly as most liberals seem to believe. In fact, I would go as far as say that exactly how much more efficient and environmentally friendly windmills are compared to conventional means of energy production still remain to be seen.

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Taz
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Message 127 of 160 (416040)
08-13-2007 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by leviethan
08-13-2007 11:24 AM


What's your point?

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Taz
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Message 128 of 160 (416044)
08-13-2007 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by nator
08-11-2007 9:31 PM


schraf writes:
someone else writes:
So apparently, nobody has ever heard of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton?
Sure, I've heard of them.
How are they hypocrites, exactly?
I don't have much to say about Sharpton, but the next time I see Jesse Jackson on tv I will officially scream my head off.
For years, the guy preached about family values and all of that. Then we found out that he had a whole second family. Ok, I thought, since that wasn't really my business. What's my business is I can't watch any political news without seeing his face. It's like he has some kind of fetish for cameras...
Isn't it time he stop being THE VOICE of our beloved African American population?

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Taz
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Message 130 of 160 (416079)
08-13-2007 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by nator
08-13-2007 2:27 PM


Well, I'm not much on tv either. I mostly get my news from the radio. But the few times that I turn on the tv to see some news, I always seem to see him on there. What are the chances that he only shows up on tv only a few times a year and it just happens that those few times are also the times I turn on the tv?
OK, I'll accept that is a hypocrite on the liberal side.
Are you just agreeing with me because I'm on the liberal side? You seem to be very gungho on other cases of supposed liberal hypocrisy.

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Taz
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Message 134 of 160 (416120)
08-14-2007 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by nator
08-13-2007 11:04 PM


Schraf writes:
But I was thinking...Does Jesse Jackson actually harp on about the sanctity of marriage and family values and stuff, and condemn adulterers specifically, or do you assume that he does becasue he's a preacher?
Well, gee, in order to be a "reverend", one has to show that he's a moral leader, yes?
One of the things that "we" pounded Haggard on was that he only "confessed" after the facts came into light.
Personally, I don't think there's any problem with either one of them, considering the fact that it's really their private lives we're talking about. However, since we're talking about hypocrits, I'd have to say that trying to preach this supposed god of morals and then turn around and have extramarrital affairs would make one a hypocrit, yes?
One doesn't need to condemn outright adulterers and then commit adultery to be a hypocrit. Unless Jesse Jackson is preaching some kind of weird-ass christian form of marriage, the fact that he's a preacher that has a whole second family makes him a hypocrit.

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Taz
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Message 144 of 160 (416230)
08-14-2007 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by riVeRraT
08-14-2007 7:01 AM


Re: Here's Another.
riverrat writes:
Here is a question (and it is not loaded taz), would certain plants benefit more from and increase of CO2 than others, and then create an imbalance in our eco system?
Seeing how my name was mentioned, I might as well chip in.
Yes, certain plants do befit a lot more from the increase level of CO2 than others. But they're the wrong kinds of plants that we want to see taking over. For the last 2 decades, researchers have alarmingly been seeing increasing levels of pollens in the air with respect to increasing levels of CO2. This in turn is causing more and more cases of allergies and whatnot. These kinds of plants that are "benefiting" from increased levels of CO2 aren't what we really want to see taking over.

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Taz
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Message 145 of 160 (416231)
08-14-2007 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by nator
08-14-2007 8:44 AM


Schraf writes:
Not living up to one's own religious standards is not hypocrisy. Sinning or making mistakes is not hypocrisy.
There is a difference between just "sinning or making mistakes" and having an affair resulting in pregnancy, birth, and then try to sweep everything under the rug.
I had a very long conversation with a friend on this some years ago. He was convinced that the priests who molested little boys ought to be forgiven because "we all make stupid mistakes". While I agree that we all make stupid mistakes, or just plain ole mistakes, it takes planning to carry certain "sins" or immoral acts that I would argue against labeling them as mistakes.
Mistake: Sleeping with a woman without protection and impregnating her.
Not a mistake: Convince her to stay quiet, refuse to pay child support, deny it till the end when the press is all over, and have one of your pet organizations pay large amount of cash for her to move out of sight.
By your very broad definition of "mistake", it seems like anything and everything goes.
If we use your definition, than every single Christian preachers are hypocrites, since all of them sin.
Well, there's the stupid mistake that's a sin and there's the planning to commit the sin, more planning to perfect the original plan, carry out the plan, try to hush up the victims, have your superiors cover up the mess, move to a new area, and start all over again with a new plan.
That's not interesting. The hypocrisy defined in the OP of someone being caught engaging in the specific and particular activity that they specifically and particularly condemn is very interesting.
Interesting? I didn't say the issue was interesting. Probably why the press was only all over it for a few days before moving on. It still doesn't negate the fact that a supposed moral authority figure made a mistake (assuming it was a mistake) and then went on and made many more "mistakes" to cover up the original mistake.
As far as I know, Jackson didn't ever make a special point of railing against the evils of adultery.
Nope, which was why the press didn't make that big of a deal out of it. But he has spent decades preaching about christian "values". And like I said before, unless he's preaching some kind of backward polygomous christian doctrine, he very carefully carried out a conspiracy that tried to cover up the truth for many years. I'd hardly call that a mistake.
So, I see we have a dilemma. Are you saying that Jackson is preaching that adultery is not a sin? Does Jackson preach against the 7th commandment? does Jackson believe in the 10 commandments? Does he advocate the 10 commandments? If his informed actions contradict what he is preaching, he's a hypocrit.
By informed actions, I'm talking about actions that actually take efforts to carry out. I'm not talking about yelling out "Jesus Christ" after someone stepped on your foot or momentarily have "unclean thoughts" about someone else. I'm talking about years of lies and deception.

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