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Author Topic:   Where is the "leftist" media in the US?
berberry
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Message 8 of 116 (332864)
07-18-2006 11:26 AM


Fox News
I think we're seeing the influence of the Fox News channel on people. Before this latest Middle East crisis broke FNC was spending hour after hour, night after night condemning the New York Times as leftist, often using "discussion panels" concisting of anywhere from 3 to 5 republicans and up to 1 democrat to hammer home the anti-Times message. Enthusiastic viewers of the channel picked that message up loud and clear and are now attempting to spread it to the masses. Hmmmm, who else does stuff like that?
I think we could turn Ann Coulter's premise on its head and suggest that Fox News is a religion. It has it's own Christ-figure in George Bush, a rightous lord and saviour who is under constant attack from the pharisees at the New York Times and Countdown with Keith Olbermann. It has apostles in Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Cal Thomas and John Gibson. Greta plays the role of the Virgin Mary and Ann Coulter herself gets to gender-bend in the double role of Mary Magdeline and the Apostle Paul.

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berberry
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Message 11 of 116 (332874)
07-18-2006 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Faith
07-18-2006 11:56 AM


Re: Goldberg's book "Bias"
I've read the book and I think that review is on the cover flap. Goldberg makes some strong points for liberal bias at CBS, but equally strong points can be made about the right-wing bias at Fox or NewsMax. As for the review, it draws some extremely broad conclusions:
Many of them don’t consider that they’re leaning in any political direction.
And many of them don't. There are journalists on the left and right who have shown that they can lay their biases aside and cover a story objectively. Some news organizations honestly strive to do this and some don't.
They really think they are simply mainstream.
And some are.
There is no other side of the argument except what you hear from a few right-wing nut cases. In their world, mainstream conservatism doesn’t exist.
What media is he talking about, The Nation? Okay. The Fox Report? I don't think so.

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berberry
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Message 15 of 116 (332898)
07-18-2006 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Faith
07-18-2006 12:31 PM


Re: Goldberg's book "Bias"
Indeed, Goldberg did document his assertions of left-wing bias at CBS. I noticed that bias ages ago, and aside from an infrequent viewing of 60 Minutes, I don't get my news from CBS. I'm not qualified to comment on any bias they might still have there because I don't watch them. I don't know much about ABC or CNN either, so I'll take your word for it that you see left-wing bias there. However, I take issue with your assertions of left-wing bias at PBS, NBC - and I suppose by extension MSNBC - and NPR. The only left-wing bias I can think of from any of those sources would be found in clearly-labelled opinion pieces or opinion shows.
I'd like to see some examples of what you consider biased reporting from these sources.

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berberry
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Message 21 of 116 (332907)
07-18-2006 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Dan Carroll
07-18-2006 1:05 PM


Re: Goldberg's book "Bias"
Dan Carroll writes:
quote:
Wait, wait, wait. His evidence that the media is liberal-biased is that the major news pundits are well educated?
I always love the "education=liberal/lack of education=conservative" argument. It's like conservatives making arguments for us
Hehe, yeah I love that too, but I really did read that book by Goldberg and I think he was pretty much dead-on. I started to notice a left-wing tilt at CBS years before I even knew who Goldberg was. I can't stand the man, but I think he's right about CBS, at least during the period that my mother used to watch Dan Rather.
Even if he was wrong about the bias, I tended to believe some of the things he said about Rather. It just sounded too credible, given Rather's public tantrums during the 80s.
At any rate, Goldberg has his own biases and he brings them to bear on his book, just like any committed right-winger or committed left-winger would when they're trying to convince someone of something. That's different than reporting the news, and I think most of the mainstream news sources try to provide unbiased coverage. They don't always succeed, but I think most of them try.
Fox is unquestionably biased and so, probably, is CNN. I don't see much bias in NPR's, NBC's and MSNBC's straight reporting, and I'd like to see the evidence for it. We're on page 2 of this thread now and we still haven't seen any.

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berberry
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Message 91 of 116 (333166)
07-19-2006 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
07-18-2006 9:07 PM


Re: Bill Moyers on media bias
Faith writes:
quote:
Too bad leftists don't know how leftist they are, have to claim they're middle of the road.
This isn't just a misconception, it's a deliberate mal-conception. Those of us on the left realize we're on the left.
The difference in perceptions from the left and the right probably have to do with what actually is "middle of the road" at any given time. Since being able to claim the middle ground is rhetorically useful, both sides try to do it. Since each side tends to believe its own claim for the middle ground, that perception clouds a partisan's view of what should properly be called left or right.
The problem is compounded by the fact that the middle ground is constantly shifting. At the time this country was founded, the idea that the people and the press should be free to express any point of view at all, bar none, was radically left-wing. Just forty years ago, the idea that blacks and whites should be able to shop in the same stores and eat at the same restaurants without physical barriers placed between them was radically left-wing. Likewise, at about the same time, the idea that the military could survive without a draft was radically left-wing.
In the history of this country I think the middle ground has done a lot more shifting to the left than to the right, or at least the leftward shifts have become more deeply entrenched. That may be changing. Twenty-five years ago, the idea that the tax code should be reconfigured and the top marginal tax rates on the wealthiest Americans should be kept low was decidedly right-wing but is now mainstream. Opposition to abortion rights is more mainstream than it was a couple decades ago. Also, the right-wing idea of a legally infallible president with powers not subject to any oversight whatsoever is becoming (dangerously, in my view) mainstream.
All of this affects the way the press covers the news. If Americans are not concerned about the president grabbing too much power the "mainstream" press is going to begin covering his use of questionable powers in a matter-of-fact way rather than in an accusatory way. I think we see that happening now.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that we should give up trying to objectively decide whether the mainstream press is leftist or rightist. The best we can do is to recognize where we ourselves sit on the spectrum and try to take in as many points of view as we can. We should never, ever reject hearing (or reading) someone's opinion simply because we know that person's point of view is different from our own. If that's not closed-mindedness then what is?

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berberry
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Message 99 of 116 (333501)
07-19-2006 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Faith
07-19-2006 7:10 PM


Re: bump for Faith
Faith writes RAZD:
quote:
And I suppose you are able on demand to come up with dozens of examples to "evidence" your view of what is left, right and center?
If I had made an assertion that the NBC news group had a habit of covering the news from a right-wing perspective and you had challenged me on it, I might do something like link to the MSNBC homepage and draw your attention to the headline (at the top, just to the right of the photo) which reads "House Votes To Protect Pledge". I would say that a headline like that obviously demonstrates a right-wing bias in that it assumes that the pledge of allegiance requires protection, which is a long-standing right-wing talking point.
So that wasn't hard to do at all. If the news sources you complain about are really as leftist as you claim, why is it so difficult and time-consuming to cite an example or two?

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