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Author Topic:   Where is the "leftist" media in the US?
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Message 23 of 116 (332915)
07-18-2006 1:39 PM
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07-18-2006 1:09 PM


Re: The Liberal Media
Ypur "Media Research Centre" which proudly states that it is "The Leader in Documenting, Exposing and Meutralising Libearl Merdia Bias" would seem to have an agenda of its own.
In short it might well call a centrist report leftist - especially if it criticised conservatives.

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Message 30 of 116 (332940)
07-18-2006 2:29 PM
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07-18-2006 2:19 PM


Re: The Liberal Media
You didn't happen to mentin that the "Media Research Centre" WAS run by a conservative organisation either, did you ?
And your comments about "quote mining" practically admit that the MRC is engaged in misrepresentation by taking quotes out of context or otherwise doctoring them - which is what "quote mining" is.o

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Message 35 of 116 (332959)
07-18-2006 3:41 PM
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07-18-2006 3:37 PM


Re: On Faith's allegations.
And where can we read this ?-->http://

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Message 42 of 116 (332968)
07-18-2006 4:02 PM
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07-18-2006 3:49 PM


Re: On Faith's allegations.
Your comment says more about you than it does about Jar.
Clearly you know what good is (since otherwise you would not see the "obvious" answer) and equally clearly you turn away from it.i
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Message 45 of 116 (332974)
07-18-2006 4:15 PM
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Re: On Faith's allegations.
And the reason why it leads to only one conclusion is because you know what is good. Your only criticism is that it leads to a conclusion contrary to your ideas of God.
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Message 48 of 116 (332981)
07-18-2006 4:24 PM
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07-18-2006 4:22 PM


Re: On Faith's allegations.
Is it a misrepresentation of the Bible ? Where does the story even mention the Bible ?
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Message 55 of 116 (332989)
07-18-2006 4:35 PM
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07-18-2006 4:25 PM


Re: On Faith's allegations.
The story isn't about the Bible, it's about concepts of God and how they relate to the doctrines of salvation. You see, you may think that the Bible as interpeted by a particular brand of Christian is the absolute authority on doctrine but that isn't a doctrine that defines Christianity. To think otherwise would be - in your word - naive.
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Message 69 of 116 (333036)
07-18-2006 5:53 PM
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07-18-2006 5:40 PM


Re: The Liberal Media
It should only be obvious to people who check.
quote:
The quotes I was referring to did not come from the MRC. So much for that theory.
You really ought to think about your responses. You claimed that MRC presented quotes from other sources and YOU linked that practice to quote mining - which is taking quotes from other people and presenting them out of context or otherwise misrepresenting them.
I'm just reporting what you said - and pointing out the implications.

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Message 73 of 116 (333050)
07-18-2006 6:17 PM
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07-18-2006 6:05 PM


Re: The Liberal Media
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No, you misunderstood me. I said anyone scoffing at that is like when I'm charged with quote mining as if it was I who made the statements.
When you are charged with quote mining it MEANS that you took statements made BY OTHER PEOPLE and took them out of context or otherwise misrepresented them. I explained that.
Like I said, you ought to think about your responses. The fact that you don't understand what quote mining is, even after it's just been explained to you hardly makes you look good..

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Message 77 of 116 (333059)
07-18-2006 6:40 PM
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07-18-2006 6:27 PM


Re: The Liberal Media
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This is becoming tedious. I know what you meant, but its apparent that you misunderstood me, still. And now you are bringing up irrelevant points that I can only assume is an attempt to detract from the actual argument.
No, it isn't irelevant. Your whole "defence" against the charge of quote mining is that you are simply reporting what other people said. But quote mining IS repeating what other people said - but in a misleading way.
quote:
For the last time, bringing up the MRC is LIKE how people charge me with quote mining.
Which is exactly why it is necessary to understand what quote mining is.
quote:
In other words, its baseless, because the MRC didn't use photoshop to alter the films. The people really did say what they said. Just LIKE how when I quote people, they really say what they really said
And just like many examples of quote mining. A charge of quote mining does not presume any alteration of the quote. Simply presenting it without context that significantly affects the meaning is sufficient.
quote:
MRC's video clips are no more out of text or any less valid than the quotes I use, which are fully applicable to whatever topic we are discussing at that time.
Which rather begs the question, doesn't it ?
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Do you understand what I'm saying? I hope so because I'm not going over it again.
You are under a misconception here. The reason we are going over and over this is becasue YOU do not understand what you are saying.e

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Message 94 of 116 (333485)
07-19-2006 6:35 PM


Universities
While I didn't go to an "Ivy League" college or even Oxbridge I ave to say that I didn't see much sign of the far-left doing much. Most students didn't join the political clubs. Of those that did, the Conservatives were the largest group. It is true that the Conservatives often ran for office in the Guild as "Independants", but it is also true that the Conservative government was not that popular with students. On the other hand a motion to affiliate the Guild with CND failed because the supporters of the motion couldn't gather a quorum.
On that basis I have to say that the students represented a spectrum of political views, perhaps weighted to the left, but certainly not the far left who were a small minority, far outnumbered by the students to the right of centre.

  
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