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Author Topic:   Where is the "leftist" media in the US?
Hyroglyphx
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Message 76 of 116 (333058)
07-18-2006 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by PaulK
07-18-2006 6:17 PM


Re: The Liberal Media
When you are charged with quote mining it MEANS that you took statements made BY OTHER PEOPLE and took them out of context or otherwise misrepresented them. I explained that.
Like I said, you ought to think about your responses. The fact that you don't understand what quote mining is, even after it's just been explained to you hardly makes you look good..
This is becoming tedious. I know what you meant, but its apparent that you misunderstood me, still. And now you are bringing up irrelevant points that I can only assume is an attempt to detract from the actual argument.
For the last time, bringing up the MRC is LIKE how people charge me with quote mining. In other words, its baseless, because the MRC didn't use photoshop to alter the films. The people really did say what they said. Just LIKE how when I quote people, they really say what they really said. MRC's video clips are no more out of text or any less valid than the quotes I use, which are fully applicable to whatever topic we are discussing at that time.
Do you understand what I'm saying? I hope so because I'm not going over it again.

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PaulK
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Message 77 of 116 (333059)
07-18-2006 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 6:27 PM


Re: The Liberal Media
quote:
This is becoming tedious. I know what you meant, but its apparent that you misunderstood me, still. And now you are bringing up irrelevant points that I can only assume is an attempt to detract from the actual argument.
No, it isn't irelevant. Your whole "defence" against the charge of quote mining is that you are simply reporting what other people said. But quote mining IS repeating what other people said - but in a misleading way.
quote:
For the last time, bringing up the MRC is LIKE how people charge me with quote mining.
Which is exactly why it is necessary to understand what quote mining is.
quote:
In other words, its baseless, because the MRC didn't use photoshop to alter the films. The people really did say what they said. Just LIKE how when I quote people, they really say what they really said
And just like many examples of quote mining. A charge of quote mining does not presume any alteration of the quote. Simply presenting it without context that significantly affects the meaning is sufficient.
quote:
MRC's video clips are no more out of text or any less valid than the quotes I use, which are fully applicable to whatever topic we are discussing at that time.
Which rather begs the question, doesn't it ?
quote:
Do you understand what I'm saying? I hope so because I'm not going over it again.
You are under a misconception here. The reason we are going over and over this is becasue YOU do not understand what you are saying.e

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Faith 
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Message 78 of 116 (333063)
07-18-2006 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by nwr
07-18-2006 6:20 PM


Re: Bill Moyers on media bias
I'm sorry, I find it hard even to read Moyers, knowing how much leftist bias there is in every word he utters. Perhaps you could help me out with some actual facts from the piece? The salient points at least.

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robinrohan
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Message 79 of 116 (333064)
07-18-2006 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Faith
07-18-2006 6:55 PM


Re: Bill Moyers on media bias
I find it hard even to read Moyers
It nauseates you?
I think both the Left and the Right are full of hot air myself. They're all so moralistic.

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RAZD
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Message 80 of 116 (333085)
07-18-2006 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Faith
07-18-2006 6:55 PM


Re: Bill Moyers on media bias
I'm sorry, I find it hard even to read Moyers, knowing how much leftist bias there is in every word he utters.
Obviously you don't read him very well.
Or you fail to admit to yourself how extreme your rightist views are.
When your biases prevent you from reading something, then you should question why you have such a reaction if you really (think you) have a free and open, honest view of the world.
Perhaps those are the things you need to pay more attention to -- the kinds of things that NEWS should pay attention to, the things that make you wince.
And when it comes to the LIES of the Botch administration, anyone who believes there are none is living in DEEP DENIAL: evidence Katrina when Botch said "no-one knew, no-one could have known" AFTER he was at a conference that presented EXACTLY the kind of disaster that unfolded AND WAS RECORDED THERE.
OR when he announced that they had the evidence of secret labs, that trucks had been found that confirmed Saddams biological weapons program -- after a memo had been sent that OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED it was NOT a weapons program at all: either he read the memo and LIED about the result or he didn't read the memo and made the announcement BEFORE GETTING THE EVIDENCE that he then LIED about having. YOUR CALL.
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nwr
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Message 81 of 116 (333096)
07-18-2006 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Faith
07-18-2006 6:55 PM


Re: Bill Moyers on media bias
I'm sorry, I find it hard even to read Moyers, knowing how much leftist bias there is in every word he utters.
Perhaps that is your way of saying that you are afraid to read Moyers.
For myself, I have never been afraid to read those on the political extremes. It is often hilarious to see the mistakes. And occasionally there is actually something thoughtful written by a conservative.

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Faith 
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Message 82 of 116 (333099)
07-18-2006 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by RAZD
07-18-2006 8:41 PM


Re: Bill Moyers on media bias
Oh I know very well how right wing I am. About the nauseatingest.
Too bad leftists don't know how leftist they are, have to claim they're middle of the road.
Left wing stuff annoys me no end. I just get impatient reading it. Completely untrustworthy.

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nator
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Message 83 of 116 (333100)
07-18-2006 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Faith
07-18-2006 2:13 PM


Re: The problem is timidity
quote:
Oddly enough, nwr, your idea that Bush has lied is spin, leftist spin. Many of us see no lies in anything Bush has said. One would think that a lie would be an objective thing, but interestingly it isn't. I've seen all kinds of accusations of lies against posters right on this site that I know were false. So all I can say is that your leftist bias is clouding your vision on this subject.
Bush said that no American citizens were wiretapped without a warrant.
We know that to be a lie.

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nator
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Message 84 of 116 (333103)
07-18-2006 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Faith
07-18-2006 2:50 PM


Re: On Faith's allegations.
quote:
But we do all know that the leftists are forged in the leftist universities.
No, we don't know that.
When was the last time you spent any appreciable amount of time on a University, Faith?
Have you ever?
And as to your claim that the Ivy's are all Marxists...both George Bush Sr. and Dubbya are leftists, being Yale graduates.
Right?

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Message 85 of 116 (333105)
07-18-2006 9:22 PM
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07-18-2006 9:13 PM


Re: The problem is timidity
it doesn't matter if it's a lie because clearly the president can do anything he wants... that's why we have a constitution, doncha know. to define everything everyone else can do so they don't step on the president's toes.

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Message 86 of 116 (333106)
07-18-2006 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Faith
07-18-2006 2:50 PM


Re: On Faith's allegations.
i became a "leftist" after attending christian school.
but then i actually do have socialist tendencies.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 87 of 116 (333107)
07-18-2006 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Faith
07-18-2006 6:55 PM


Re: Bill Moyers on media bias
I'm sorry, I find it hard even to read Moyers, knowing how much leftist bias there is in every word he utters. Perhaps you could help me out with some actual facts from the piece? The salient points at least.
That's really, really sad.
Does hearing the truth upset your carefully constructed fantasy world so much? If you are so sure you are right then surely mere words are perfectly safe.
I actually like to read all sides... even when they are very silly

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nator
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Message 88 of 116 (333110)
07-18-2006 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
07-18-2006 9:07 PM


Re: Bill Moyers on media bias
quote:
Oh I know very well how right wing I am. About the nauseatingest.
Too bad leftists don't know how leftist they are, have to claim they're middle of the road.
Left wing stuff annoys me no end. I just get impatient reading it. Completely untrustworthy.
Why don't you give us some examples of how the mainstream US media is extremely leftist.
Paste some quotes that show a consistent far left position. Time to ante up and lay your cards on the table. Show us what you've got.
It would be helpful if you could give a brief description of what you believe to be a centrist, as opposed to a leftist, political view.

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RAZD
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Message 89 of 116 (333128)
07-18-2006 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
07-18-2006 9:07 PM


Re: Bill Moyers on media bias
Too bad leftists don't know how leftist they are, have to claim they're middle of the road.
Wrong again. Leftists know when they are extremes, know the shades of gray of the spectrum of politics and recognize those at the center.
The difference is that leftists recognize a center between them and the fanatic right, rather than label everything else as {other\must be evil}.
Completely untrustworthy.
Especially when backed up by fact after fact after fact, instead of being pure assertion....
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Message 90 of 116 (333141)
07-18-2006 11:03 PM
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07-18-2006 10:22 PM


Re: Bill Moyers on media bias
The difference is that leftists recognize a center between them and the fanatic right, rather than label everything else as {other\must be evil}.
everything is left of the extreme right.


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