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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I haven't had this much fun since Dark Shadows went off the air. Yeah, I'm having fun too now. I wonder what "research" they are talking about.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: But no successful salesman is going to listen seriously to someone who tells him he's got it all wrong but has never made a sale in his life. A soldier is not going to take seriously someone sitting in an armchair telling him the best way to dodge bullets. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3643 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
I think this was the very sort of thing that Robin objected to. No salesman can point to his past performance as a guarantee that he will sell in the future. No soldier to the fact he dodged 100 bullets that he is likely to dodge another. And so the ignorance continues... Tell me, when you need someone to service your bike, do you seek out someone with as little experience as possible with engineering to do your servicing? What, you do your servicing yourself? Why? Because you are so shit at engineering it seems the best way forward?
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: He is answered. Extremely often. He just doesn't like the answers he gets. And let us not forget that he has frequently engaged in the same behavior. He never did attempt to answer the formal logic puzzle that I posed. You quite gamely gave it a shot, and that is to your credit. All robin did at that point was start to abuse scientific research.
quote: Considering he has admitted he was angry when he wrote his OP, and my own observation that he has continued in a rather sullen, petulant tone for some time, I'd say that my characterization was fairly apt.
quote: Boo hoo. Heat, kitchen, etc.
quote: Whining about your perceived grevious persecution on a public internet debate forum prevents thinking about serious questions, too. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You may want to think that active theoretical research is no more valuable than the man-on-the-street's musings, but shall we compare track-records over the past century? Would the research be to test the hypothesis that God is "outside our timeline"?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
WRT the opening post, what if the universe was created by a council of power-limited gods that worked together? Maybe this council was doing something else altogether and one of the gods farted and out came our universe, a denied accident. Got any research going on this idea?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I believe it is likely that you only think the FSM is a "trivial" comparison because you are harboring residual cultural reverence for the word "God". Do you have any evidence to back that up? Any research? In point of fact, the problem I have with it is a logical problem. Oh, excuse me, I'm not supposed to say "logical," because I don't understand logic.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3643 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Robin, I haven't the heart to insult you, tempting as it is
But neither have I the patience to discuss anything with you, especially given the mood you are in. If you have any serious questions based on anything I said in your thread, then I'll give them a shot...
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
If you have any serious questions based on anything I said in your thread, then I'll give them a shot... Can't we make a distinction here between science and philosophy?
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3643 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Can't we make a distinction here between science and philosophy? I can't, no. Because I find my physics impinges on what I once thought was pure philosophy and/or theology. If we take the idea of God that you have been using: creator, ultimate being, etc, then it would hardly be sensible to consider that entity as constrained by internal properties of the creation. At least, that is an assumption I am making. When General Relativity tells me that time is merely an internal property of the universe, it leaves me with little choice than to consider this God as outside/unbound by what we call time. Physics places lower limits on this creator God's attributes.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3643 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Okay, now I understand where Robin is coming from in this thread, which is why I'm closing it.
Robin, discussion can be on any of the wide variety of creation/evolution topics, but not about the poor treatment you receive. Such things are the province of moderation, not of discussion. If you believe you're the victim of violations of the Forum Guidelines then please bring it to the attention of the moderators. You can post to General discussion of moderation procedures: The Consequtive Consecution Sequel, or you can email me or one of the other moderators. Please provide specific information and links to messages. I've spent just a very few minutes poking around at a few of your messages and I couldn't find anything that was a example of the problem. But just above, Cavediver makes some indirect references to comments about his area of expertise, maybe they were yours, I'm not sure, and they seem the equivalent of me in a religious discussion arguing that Easter was the day Jesus saw his shadow - in other words, pretty dumb. Those who have the courage to argue about things they know little about must accept that uninformed ideas will be given short shrift. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but all opinions are not entitled to respect. Closing this one down.
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