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JESUS freak
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Message 61 of 80 (169017)
12-16-2004 4:09 PM
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12-16-2004 12:54 PM


Re: Any real proof?
No I am not dumb, I know about the Iran Iraq war were saddum used WMD.

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JESUS freak
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Message 62 of 80 (169024)
12-16-2004 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by jar
12-16-2004 2:28 PM


Re: Any real proof?
First, just because someone says somthing, doesn't mean it is true. (just take john kerry and all his lies for instance)
Second Ronald regon is one of the best presidents we ever had as he helped by collasping the soviet union and improved our defences.
Second what PROOF do you have of any of these alleged doings of Ronald regan. I admit that some of the CIA insiting rebals and handing over weapons MIGHT, be true, heck we did that in afganistan by giving them stingers to fight the russians. So again, do you have any proof?

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crashfrog
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Message 63 of 80 (169046)
12-16-2004 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by JESUS freak
12-16-2004 4:16 PM


(just take john kerry and all his lies for instance)
Oops, you misspelled "George Bush". Here, let me fix it for you:
(just take george bush and all his lies for instance)
There, that's better.

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jar
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Message 64 of 80 (169064)
12-16-2004 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by JESUS freak
12-16-2004 4:16 PM


Re: Any real proof?
JF
Who do you think we gave the stingers (and money and training and other weapons and advisors and support) to in Afganistan?
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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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coffee_addict
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Message 65 of 80 (169092)
12-16-2004 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by JESUS freak
12-16-2004 4:16 PM


Re: Any real proof?
Hint: It starts with a "t".

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CK
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Message 66 of 80 (169098)
12-16-2004 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by JESUS freak
12-16-2004 4:16 PM


Re: Any real proof?
quote:
Second what PROOF do you have of any of these alleged doings of Ronald regan. I admit that some of the CIA insiting rebals and handing over weapons MIGHT, be true, heck we did that in afganistan by giving them stingers to fight the russians. So again, do you have any proof?
The findings of the offical inquiry into the Iran-Contra's affair enought for you?
In the Iran initiative, President Reagan chose to proceed in the utmost secrecy, disregarding the Administration's public policy prohibiting arms sales to nations supporting terrorism.
That is from chapter 22 of the FINAL REPORT OF THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL FOR IRAN/CONTRA MATTERS
Or is this just lies?
How far do we have to take this? do you want me to dig up his corpse?

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CK
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Message 67 of 80 (169103)
12-16-2004 5:37 PM
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12-16-2004 5:33 PM


Re: Any real proof?
Oh and from the excutive summary -
the Iran operations were carried out with the knowledge of, among others, President Ronald Reagan, Vice President George Bush, Secretary of State George P. Shultz, Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger, Director of Central Intelligence William J. Casey, and national security advisers Robert C. McFarlane and John M. Poindexter; of these officials, only Weinberger and Shultz dissented from the policy decision, and Weinberger eventually acquiesced by ordering the Department of Defense to provide the necessary arms;

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JESUS freak
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Message 68 of 80 (169128)
12-16-2004 6:47 PM
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12-16-2004 5:04 PM


Re: Any real proof?
Thats what I said, the american CIA gave afgahnistan stingers to the taliban, because they WERE the good guys at the time, and the stingers helped alot.
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JESUS freak
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Message 69 of 80 (169130)
12-16-2004 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by CK
12-16-2004 5:33 PM


Re: Any real proof?
So that was a dumb move and a mistake, I will accept that Reagan did that, but that still doesn't anwser my question, DO YOU HAVE PROOF THAT WE GAVE SADDAM THE GO AHEAD TO INVADE KUWAIT?

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jar
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Message 70 of 80 (169131)
12-16-2004 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by JESUS freak
12-16-2004 6:47 PM


Re: Any real proof?
Gave who in Afganistan stingers? The Afgan government? The terrorist trying to attack the ligitimate government? Who?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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CK
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Message 71 of 80 (169263)
12-17-2004 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by JESUS freak
12-16-2004 6:50 PM


Re: Any real proof?
So you accept as the findings of the report that Regan supported terrorists?
If not - what evidence do you have that is greater than this report?
let's settle this before you try and slide away to another topic.
I've got plently of zingers waiting for you down that road....

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JESUS freak
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Message 72 of 80 (173710)
01-04-2005 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by CK
12-17-2004 4:33 AM


Re: Any real proof?
So you accept as the findings of the report that Regan supported terrorists?
The taliban did not come to as a big power until after the war when afgahnistan was in chaos. Regan could not have predicted their rise to power.
http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/.../ISSUES/miredinmount.htm
So no, regan did not give the missles to terrorists.
{Fixed quote box. - Adminnemooseus}
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CK
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Message 73 of 80 (173718)
01-04-2005 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by JESUS freak
01-04-2005 9:46 AM


Re: Any real proof?
That is a slide into a different question.
Let me try again - do you support the finding of the report that Reagan supported terrorists?.
If you don't - please point out the errors in the report and the evidence that you use to come to such a statement.
You are at the adult table now, you need to rise your game.

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JESUS freak
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Message 74 of 80 (173786)
01-04-2005 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by CK
01-04-2005 10:11 AM


Re: Any real proof?
Regan did sell arms to the shah including F-14 tomcats and AIM-53 missles. Yes Iran did suport terrorists as they still do, however, what about all the F-15c eagle fighters or M1A1 Abrams tanks that we sold to saudi arabia? They to support terrorist groups. It is choosing the lesser of two evils. Iran has not outright launched a major assult on us or our allies. Iraq did. It is choosing the better of two evils.

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mikehager
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Message 75 of 80 (173793)
01-04-2005 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by JESUS freak
01-04-2005 2:24 PM


Re: Any real proof?
Wow, you seem to be missing what Charles is asking, because you were certainly non responsive. Maybe it will help if I ask also.
It was shown in the document Charles quoted that Reagan sold arms to terrorists despite a public stance against such actions.
Do you or do you not believe the findings detailed there?
Yes or no will suffice.
Sorry for horning in. Couldn't resist.

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