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Author Topic:   The Case Against the Existence of God
ThingsChange
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Message 191 of 301 (302113)
04-07-2006 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Faith
04-07-2006 3:41 PM


Authority of Authorities
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All you have to do to "test" my facts is believe the witnesses, or the authorities as Robin puts it. Instead of raising a zillion objections to what they are saying, just make like a little child and believe that they are telling you the truth. It's that simple, as jar is so fond of saying about other stuff.
OK, let's walk up your tree of knowledge branch-by-branch.
You don't just believe those authorities without having built some confidence that they are indeed authorities.
On what basis do you grant them as the authorities instead of false teachers? (since they are no longer living, and would be considered "hearsay" in legal terms)

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ThingsChange
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Message 198 of 301 (302127)
04-07-2006 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Faith
04-07-2006 4:45 PM


Hearsay
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Predominantly the credibility and integrity of thousands through the millennia who have believed them. I originally believed them by believing Christians who wrote about them.
Is it called hearsay if someone tells you what they saw? I don't think so.
Assuming we agree that the witnesses did not write the New Testament books (written much later), the true authors were relaying what they heard from others. Isn't that hearsay?
One more branch up the tree: Why do you believe inerrancy of these writers instead of some fuzzy interpretive truth like Phat does?

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ThingsChange
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Message 211 of 301 (302149)
04-07-2006 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by robinrohan
04-07-2006 5:09 PM


Much to do about Nothing
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No, nothing can come from nothing. There always had to be something.
Wait a minute.
Why can't nothing be something?
Kind of like zero is a number just like -2,-1,1,2,3...
Maybe "nothing" is just a temporary "even" transition state between a negative and a positive condition. It would just appear that nothing lasted forever prior to what we know as something. (And we all know that nothing lasts forever! )
All we "know" is that something comes from something" based on our experience and tests of cause and effect.
You are in faith of speculation of any variant of "___ comes from ___".

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ThingsChange
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Message 220 of 301 (302159)
04-07-2006 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by robinrohan
04-07-2006 5:26 PM


Re: Much to do about Nothing
You misunderstand my point.
There are positive, negative AND neutral states for just about everything:
Yes, no, and neither (equivalent of nothing)
Plus, minus and zero
It took Arabs to "discover" the number zero, but it always was part of the number system. Previous folks just couldn't figure that out. Maybe the same is true with what we think of "substance" (i.e. when you refer to "something"). Maybe the Arabs will pull us out of this one too in a few hundred years.

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