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Topic: DHA's Wager
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Parasomnium
Member Posts: 2224 Joined: 07-15-2003
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Re: Impossible unicorn
contracyle writes: he does not lose all colour, he becomes invisible. How is that not the same? Colours are only properties of things because they are visible. Admins: Contracycle assures me that this is off-topic AND to the point.
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PecosGeorge
Member (Idle past 6900 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: 04-09-2004
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Re: the forest on the hill
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Which is only to say "Deep down I know it is a lie, but I am desperately trying not to admit it".
If I could read your mind, what would I find? A profound certainty that you cannot read mine? Deep down there is peace that passes all understanding. What is the purpose of this statement? It throttles down to ridicule and accusation and the dialogue ends.
Pascal's Wager......nice try.
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PecosGeorge
Member (Idle past 6900 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 123 of 200 (192275)
03-18-2005 8:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 112 by Rrhain
03-18-2005 12:23 AM
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Re: Define God
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No fair changing the defintion. If you meant something else, you should have said something.
Dress it up, dress it down. I was asked to define God, I defined him. Compliance with other OPINION is not possible, I cannot comply with opinion other than my own. Define God, and I will definitely see that your opinion is definitely your opinion. My definition is that God is the Creator of the universe and all that is in it (and out it?), you may need volumes to describe yours. In the end, we still have opinion.
Pascal's Wager......nice try.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 112 by Rrhain, posted 03-18-2005 12:23 AM | | Rrhain has replied |
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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5935 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: 08-30-2003
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Re: Define God
PecosGeorge In your previous post you brought out this bible passage
'For a thousand years in your (God's) sight, are like a day that has just gone by.....(meaning time as we measure it, does not apply to him) It does not indicate that time does not pass for god but that the perception of time is different.Time is still a factor when we present a case wherein we say that god has no beginning since this requires time.A god that has existed forever is a god that has never had a beginning. Anyway this is off topic and rather than tickle the tail of the dragon present in lurking admins,I am going to drop this for now and raise it as a seperate topic at a later date{soon though!}Bye for now. This message has been edited by sidelined, Fri, 2005-03-18 06:22 AM This message has been edited by sidelined, Fri, 2005-03-18 06:23 AM
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contracycle
Inactive Member
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Re: Impossible unicorn
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How is that not the same? Colours are only properties of things because they are visible.
Nope. Colours are a selective reflection of light. A thing can still reflect light, and that light not fall on your retina. It will therefore have colour, and also be invisible. Its easier to reconcile than the trinity, at any rate.
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contracycle
Inactive Member
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Re: the forest on the hill
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It throttles down to ridicule and accusation and the dialogue ends.
The dialogue ended when people started rationalising insane excuses regarding the total absence of evidence for god, instead of thinking for themselves. This "wager" is exactly why I would not trust a religious person with anything important. It's apparently far to easy for them to rationalsie whatever is comfortable in the short term to be trustworthy, rather like a habitual alcoholic.
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PecosGeorge
Member (Idle past 6900 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: 04-09-2004
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Re: the forest on the hill
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No I don't; I have the same degree of evidence for Greath Cthulhu as for god - someone wrote a book. Can you PROVE that Great Cthulhu doesn;t exist? If not, then you must concede, it is logical to treat Great Cthulhu as existing. Thats your argument.
No, I cannot proof that he exists or not, just like I cannot proof that God exists or not. I believe that this is the basis of the discussion. There is no proof, no more, no less. Based on faith in God, which is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen, faith is the ingredient that fuels the relationship. What fuels your relationships? From "Cthulhu Who" In "Call of Cthulhu" our beloved leader is described in the following way: It seemed to be a sort of monster, or symbol representing a monster, of a form which only a diseased fancy could conceive. If I say that my somewhat extravagant imagination yielded simultaneous pictures of an octopus, a dragon, and a human caricature, I shall not be unfaithful to the spirit of the thing. A pulpy, tentacled head surmounted a grotesque and scaly body with rudimentary wings; but it was the general outline of the whole which made it most shockingly frightful. Also, it is described in another fashion in the following manner: It represented a monster of vaguely anthropoid outline, but with an octopuslike head whose face was a mass of feelers, a scaly, rubbery-looking body, prodigious claws on hind and fore feet, and long, narrow wings behind. This thing, which seemed instinct with a fearsome and unnatural malignancy, was of a somewhat bloated corpulence... I'm created in the image of God, the gugelhupf does not describe me.
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Parasomnium
Member Posts: 2224 Joined: 07-15-2003
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Re: Impossible unicorn
contracycle writes: A thing can still reflect light, and that light not fall on your retina. It will therefore have colour, and also be invisible. No. Or, as you might say: nope. Light that does not fall on a retina has no colour, or better: does not give rise to colour sensations in the observer's mind. Let me be more precise in what I said earlier: "Colours are only properties of the observer's internal representations of things because they are visible." Outside observers' minds, colours do not exist.
contracycle writes: Its easier to reconcile than the trinity, at any rate. I wouldn't know, I'm not in the habit of reconciling trinities. As long as this post is not seen by admins, it is not off-topic for them.
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PecosGeorge
Member (Idle past 6900 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: 04-09-2004
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Re: the forest on the hill
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quote: It throttles down to ridicule and accusation and the dialogue ends. The dialogue ended when people started rationalising insane excuses regarding the total absence of evidence for god, instead of thinking for themselves. This "wager" is exactly why I would not trust a religious person with anything important. It's apparently far to easy for them to rationalsie whatever is comfortable in the short term to be trustworthy, rather like a habitual alcoholic.
You built your house on a shallow foundation. I wish that you should live in it with peace pervasive. It makes you feel good to speak that way to a fellow creature, I am glad I was able to provide the opportunity. I beg compassion for the alcoholic. Science needs to find a sure way to eliminate him.
Pascal's Wager......nice try.
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contracycle
Inactive Member
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Re: Impossible unicorn
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Light that does not fall on a retina has no colour, or better: does not give rise to colour sensations in the observer's mind.
Correct. Colour is a frequency - light still has that frequency even if it does not arrive on a retina. The presence or absence of a retinal activity is irrelevant to the pinkness of the IPU.
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I wouldn't know, I'm not in the habit of reconciling trinities.
As long as this post is not seen by admins, it is not off-topic for them.
The IPU is an oft-used parody of god.
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contracycle
Inactive Member
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Re: the forest on the hill
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No, I cannot proof that he exists or not, just like I cannot proof that God exists or not. I believe that this is the basis of the discussio
Right. So Great Chthulhu is in exactly the same category as god.
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What fuels your relationships?
Sex, drugs and rock 'n roll.
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I'm created in the image of God, the gugelhupf does not describe me
Great Cthulhu will eat you anyway. But, if you bow down and worship Him, he might eat you last. Seems fair. So, when do you plan to start propitiating Great Cthulhu? If you do it for one god, why not another?
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PecosGeorge
Member (Idle past 6900 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: 04-09-2004
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Re: the forest on the hill
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This "wager" is exactly why I would not trust a religious person with anything important. It's apparently far to easy for them to rationalsie whatever is comfortable in the short term to be trustworthy, rather like a habitual alcoholic.
One more thing. Wonder why I wrote 'nice try' next to Pascal's Wager? Wonder why you would call him a 'religious' person. He hadn't a clue. Know what is required in a relationship with God? What would he call Pascal, or would he spit him out of his mouth? His proposition is not worth the time it took to think it, much less to write it down for posterity.
Pascal's Wager......nice try.
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PecosGeorge
Member (Idle past 6900 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: 04-09-2004
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Re: the forest on the hill
Thanks. Good laugh! Planning a party for the great 'bow-down'. Wanna come? Gugelhupf knows some 'you ain't seen nothin' yet tricks. Sure to be nut-poppers. Bring protection, the girls can be rancid sometimes.
Pascal's Wager......nice try.
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Monk
Member (Idle past 3951 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: 02-25-2005
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Re: the forest on the hill
contracycle writes: This "wager" is exactly why I would not trust a religious person with anything important. It's apparently far to easy for them to rationalsie whatever is comfortable in the short term to be trustworthy, rather like a habitual alcoholic. I'm curious, how would you distinguish a "religous person" from an atheist?
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Parasomnium
Member Posts: 2224 Joined: 07-15-2003
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Re: Impossible unicorn
contracyle writes: Colour is a frequency Closer, but still wrong. Colour is the sensation in the mind of light of a certain frequency falling on the retina. Different frequency: different colour. There is a correlation between frequency and colour, but not an identity. Consider colour blindness: with the light that falls on their respective retinas having the same frequency, people who are colour blind experience a different colour than people who are not. Topic blindness may lead admins to see this as on-topic. { edited to soften the harshness of "Wrong."} This message has been edited by Parasomnium, 18-Mar-2005 03:18 PM
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