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Author Topic:   Worst Creationist Argument Ever?
iceage 
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Message 1 of 62 (410936)
07-18-2007 2:43 AM


On occasions I listen to Chuck Missler on the radio. Chuck Missler is an author, conservative fundamentalist Bible teacher, and founder of the Koinonia House ministry. Missler is a former engineer and has held high corporate offices at several large companies. On the surface he has some credibility - at least until I ran across this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504
This guy was the former Branch Chief of the Department of Guided Missiles for the U.S. Air Force. Now that is scary.
Any anti-evolutionist care to take up Chuck's flag and explain/defend this arguement. I am really hoping someone will point out that this video is a spoof.
His basic arguement is the lack of spontaneous generation of life in jars of peanut butter disproves evolution. To reinforce and underscore this arguement he points out that this empirical experiment is carried out millions of time every day, billions of time in over a century!
Quote from clip...
Chuck Missler writes:
If the theory of evolution was viable, then I should, occasionally by subjecting this [jar of peanut butter] to energy end up having new life... maybe not often but on occasions I should find new life
The drama, narrator voice overs and facial expressions are just too much.
On a similar note, I have opened countless bags of bbq charcoal, which is largely carbon, and I have never found a diamond - ever. Does this disprove that diamonds are not carbon?
I believe this to be the worst and most bizarre anti-evolution arguement that I have ever come across.
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iceage 
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Message 3 of 62 (410940)
07-18-2007 3:10 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminPaul
07-18-2007 2:54 AM


Re: A paraphrase here
I never know how to answer that question.
I would say "Origin of Life" but I don't think this is really all that serious so maybe something more informal like Coffee House.

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iceage 
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Message 47 of 62 (411437)
07-20-2007 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by bluegenes
07-20-2007 10:45 AM


Re: The Rock
Oh my.
Righteous Response writes:
Let’s look at this rock. Now a lot of people will say I’m crazy but evolution, parts of evolution believe, that that rock, for a period over billions of years, will turn into something. I’m gonna show you, because we’re gonna watch this rock. and here’s the problem. if the earth has been here millions of years, like evolutionists claim, then there should be something evolving . We’ll watch this rock . and we’ll watch other things that should be evolving but don’t . because evolution is a joke.”
Someone should point out to the fellow that he needs to keep watching the rock - and keep watching.... and watching. It may keep him from producing more embarrassing videos.
I thought the Chuck Missler must have been doing a parody also, but it is not. I found this piece on their web page.
The Kitchen Laboratory: How Good a Scientist Are You? – Chuck Missler – Koinonia House
Chuck Missler writes:
According to the dogmas of the current high priests of biology (and other venerated elders of our society), occasionally, if you combine matter and energy, it is possible to yield new life forms. The accepted theory is that even inorganic matter, subjected to totally random processes, originally combined itself into an initial life form, from which all subsequent life evolved.
Let's now open the sealed jar and carefully examine the contents inside. Did you find any "new life"?
Of course not! ... Our example even contains organic material, which contributes an unfavorable bias to our null hypothesis (a handicap, as it were), but even that, too, helps establish our basic point. To attempt to use inorganic materials in such a container further clinches our conclusion: did we really evolve from a rock and some water?
Ah there is the mention of the rock again.
Chuck Missler (who am I sad to say is centered in my own private Idaho) is an intellectual leader within the fundamentalist realm. The rock guy is some no name, however whenever Chuck is quoted or referenced it is always noted that he is an engineer with a graduate degree (also a Phd from some unaccredited bible college somewhere i believe). This credibility carries a long way when played to an uneducated crowd and I guess gives him a free pass to make some obvious idiotic claims.
The question I have is this - does he really believe in this whacked out garbage, is he really that unsophisticated, undiscerning and ignorant. Or is he just doing this because it is a good business. I know he experienced bankruptcy at one time and maybe selling this stuff to an uneducated crowd as a good easy way to make a living. I once knew someone who worked at his Koinonia house organization and indicated that it is a bustling business.
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iceage 
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Message 59 of 62 (412461)
07-24-2007 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by dwise1
07-22-2007 7:14 PM


Re: Yet Another Candidate
dwise1 writes:
it has been tampered with by supernatural beings, namely satan himself.
Now there is something that the Muslims could agree with - in reference to the Bible, that is.
Seriously, you are correct, that anyone holding this view would have to deal with the possibility their sacred book has been tampered with.
It would certainly be easier and more probably that these supernatural beings influenced a single scribe or author at one point in the formative years of the Bible then having to tamper with entire geological formations!

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