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Message 51 of 60 (363308)
11-11-2006 10:44 PM

Reply to: Message 45 by truthlover
11-11-2006 2:23 PM

It dates back 8,000 years. That's when farming started.

Make that ~11,000 years ago for agriculture and the first cities, ~8,000 years ago (~5800 B.C) for the first large walled city states {Ur) with the invention of the plow and "drafting" of animals.... IIRC.

I could only find part of what I was looking for:
Just a moment...
Ancient Mesopotamia: This History, Our History. Teaching Materials

It started in the hills above the flood plains not in the "fertile crescent" - and the climate then is also of interest: the lesser dryas.

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Message 54 of 60 (363355)
11-12-2006 7:36 AM

Reply to: Message 53 by Archer Opteryx
11-12-2006 6:41 AM

Re: Fundamentalism Through the Looking-Glass

But they understand how their religion works and how explanations are crafted in it. To be told science is like that gives them a sense of sure footing.

Or the only methodology they have for thinking about things is the methodology of their religion, so they think it is the only way things are done.

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Message 57 of 60 (363441)
11-12-2006 5:07 PM

Reply to: Message 55 by Archer Opteryx
11-12-2006 9:53 AM

Re: Fundamentalism Through the Looking-Glass

answered here: Message 49 - to keep this thread from being pulled off topic.

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Message 58 of 60 (363447)
11-12-2006 7:04 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by Aussie
11-09-2006 2:11 PM

possible column?

The last ten years have been an interesting journey of learning for me, and EvC is my new "Favorite thing to read" online. I look forward to continuing to read, and perhaps participate in this awesome forum.

This place is addictive ... and the rides not over yet.

Learning is a life-long journey, an accumulation of footsteps on a path we did not always know we were taking.

I wanted to investigate the timeline of Noah's flood and compare it against the known timelines that we have of ancient civilizations. I wanted to be able to point to a definite time in history and say "Look--here is when the flood happened, and this is the break in the historical chronologies."

The answer to that was big surprise number one for me, and the beginning of more than a few questions.

It might be interesting to have you do a thread on this topic and the reasons for your conclusions. A couple of possibilities:

a column - see Columnist - where you would be paired with a moderator to polish and critique your essay (as I was for RAZD - Building Blocks of Life, making sure that references were correct and editing some of the phrases -- thanks Ben),
a thread in Geology and the Great Flood or Is It Science?, possibly similar to Jar's on the Grand Canyon (Exploring the Grand Canyon, from the bottom up.), taking it a step at a time - and where the science forum requirements to substantiate a position holds for all posters that reply, or
a thread in Education and Creation/Evolution - where the science forum requirements do not hold, and may {allow\inspire} more ardent creationists to reply.

You've already done the work eh? So it would just be a matter of putting it together into solid format, in your words.

Who knows where those footprints lead.

Enjoy

ps - welcome to the fray.

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Message 59 of 60 (363449)
11-12-2006 7:09 PM

Reply to: Message 49 by Archer Opteryx
11-11-2006 7:12 PM

Re: welcome!

I wonder how many people have overthrown their indoctrination in pseudoscience in a way similar to yours: doing research with the inital expectation of finding support for it. Quite a few, I expect.

This is why I can't help but wonder if allowing ID wouldn't encourage more young people to take a good hard scientific look. Perhaps an optional class? The law of political irony eh?

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