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truthlover
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Message 16 of 60 (363102)
11-10-2006 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Aussie
11-09-2006 2:11 PM


Welcome to EVC. I alternate between being an active participant and a lurker. I had the same astonishing revelation (that evolution was a very reasonable--in fact, the only reasonable--interpretation of the evidence at hand) a couple years before you did.

How much flak did you get? I got a lot, some of it very vitriolic (I hope I know what that word means), and I still get some occasionally, even from dear friends. I live in a Christian community that "officially" holds to a belief in evolution, though we still have a few holdouts who love to send comments my way, hoping that we'll end up being wrong. (They're friends, that sort of flak isn't bad.)


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truthlover
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From: Selmer, TN
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Message 17 of 60 (363103)
11-10-2006 4:36 PM
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11-09-2006 2:11 PM


Shoot, I just saw you're from Sanford, Fl. While I'm not from there, our community is from there. We were in Geneva through the early 90's, though very, very small at the beginning. Seventeen families moved from there to Tennessee during 1996, which is where I joined.

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truthlover
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From: Selmer, TN
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Message 18 of 60 (363104)
11-10-2006 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Taz
11-09-2006 8:50 PM


It's sad that after six thousand years of civilization and human know-how society still doesn't consider religious indoctrination a form of child abuse.

Bit of an oxymoron, here, my friend. Was this meant to be a joke? Pretty witty one, if so. If not, you should know that the time is 8,000 years unless you're adopting the Christian fundamentalist timeline that you're complaining about.

Child abuse is a term thrown around way too easily nowadays. If religious indoctrination is child abuse, then 90% of children are abused, because at least that many children receive marred world views from their parents.

I know, because I'm in the 10% that knows the right world view. :D


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Aussie
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From: Sanford, FL USA
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Message 19 of 60 (363120)
11-10-2006 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by truthlover
11-10-2006 4:34 PM


"How much flak did you get? I got a lot, some of it very vitriolic (I hope I know what that word means), and I still get some occasionally, even from dear friends. I live in a Christian community that "officially" holds to a belief in evolution, though we still have a few holdouts who love to send comments my way, hoping that we'll end up being wrong. (They're friends, that sort of flak isn't bad.)"

It's about the same for me, TL. I get some flack from a few Christian friends, but the truth is that many of them are not prepared to discuss it with any depth at all. A few blurbs from ICR and case closed. Then it's back to "All by Faith". It was a pity because I spent a few years just wanting a Christian to discuss these questions with, without them feeling like I was
"Losing my faith". That's why it's refreshing to hear of churches like your's that are not afraid to let the evidence speak for itself. But I am an expert in none of it! I'm here to maybe ask some questions and to learn. But it's all fun... :)
I am very curious about your Christian community experience. From Sanford to TN? Are you comfortable telling me a little about it?

Edited by Aussie, : Paragraph spacing...how do those "quotie boxes" work???


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Message 20 of 60 (363125)
11-10-2006 7:06 PM
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11-10-2006 6:37 PM


Aussi writes:

but the truth is that many of them are not prepared to discuss it with any depth at all. A few blurbs from ICR and case closed.

Don't blame us. When creationist and IDist debate is disallowed and restricted in the sience field in educational institutions and places like this, what do you expect? You won't find it in these places since it's not considered science. We do try it on occasion and it often goes the full 10 pages but upsets the fruit basket so to speak with all kinds of heck to pay. ;)


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Taz
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Message 21 of 60 (363130)
11-10-2006 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by truthlover
11-10-2006 4:39 PM


truthlover writes:

Was this meant to be a joke?


Nope.

If not, you should know that the time is 8,000 years unless you're adopting the Christian fundamentalist timeline that you're complaining about.

I'm not a historian or archaeologist.

What civilization do we know of that existed 8k years ago?

If religious indoctrination is child abuse, then 90% of children are abused, because at least that many children receive marred world views from their parents.

Well, a more obvious example of this particular form of child abuse is the case with Lamb and Lynx Gaede.

I know, because I'm in the 10% that knows the right world view.

I beg to differ. Everyone knows that my world view is the only right one out there. The rest of you are just delusional.


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Aussie
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From: Sanford, FL USA
Joined: 10-02-2006


Message 22 of 60 (363135)
11-10-2006 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Buzsaw
11-10-2006 7:06 PM


"Don't blame us. When creationist and IDist debate is disallowed and restricted in the sience field in educational institutions and places like this, what do you expect? You won't find it in these places since it's not considered science. We do try it on occasion and it often goes the full 10 pages but upsets the fruit basket so to speak with all kinds of heck to pay."

I certainly do not blame you personally Buzsaw. You're in there locking horns with the best of them. :)

But I find myself troubled at the lack of understanding of fundamentalists in general concerning science. Many are unable or unwilling to even define the meaning of the word "Science", and abide by that definition. There is a general feeling that science is "Attacking" religion and faith, but as I see it science knows and sets its own limitations. Science as a general rule only deals with things that are quantifiable. It can define the amount of attraction two objects exert on each other; it can describe the trajectory of a missile necessary to reach a given target, it can explain why at a given indicated airspeed a wing begins to produce lift. In its areas of expertise "Science" is very smart. But science cannot tell you how much Jesus loves you. And it will never know how wonderful Heaven is, or how many angels are watching over you every day.

To me the most amazing thing about modern science is that it knows its own limitations. It does not reject God, it simply cannot measure Him; there is no quantifying His goodness or mercy, and is blind to His Grace. Science is all about asking questions, but fundamentalists dare question nothing concerning the faith. I know this Buz, I have been there. They tend to be so wrapped up in their own world view that they become defensive and prickly when someone from the outside begins to introduce questions, because well-directed questions that are left without adequate answers beget small doubts. And small, unresolved doubts are ultimately devastating.

At least here your debate is not hindered at all; your Admin. status proves that! And heck is a small price to pay for the truth.

Edited by Aussie, : Paragraphing...

Edited by AdminJar, : edited to show how quoting is done. use peek or edit to see how it works

Edited by Aussie, : No reason given.


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Tony650
Member (Idle past 2578 days)
Posts: 450
From: Australia
Joined: 01-30-2004


Message 23 of 60 (363141)
11-10-2006 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Aussie
11-09-2006 2:11 PM


G'day mate!:D

I don't post much but since the occasion calls for it I thought I'd let you know that I'm an Aussie too.:)

Aussie writes:

Hello Buzsaw! A pleasure to talk to you, but no introductions are necessary! I know excactly who you are!

That's an odd feeling, isn't it? It's almost like meeting a group of celebrities and they introduce themselves to you as if you actually need to be told their name. "Hi, I'm Sean Connery." "Really? You're kidding?":D

In my case I lurked for a good two and a half years before I registered. So, as you can imagine, by the time I finally "delurked" I knew everybody here more or less as well as they knew each other.

Anyway, welcome to the forum. Good to have you here, even if you aren't a "True Aussie"... *mumbles* Yankee accent. Just kidding.:P


Ferret brain activity increased just 20 percent when looking at Keanu Reeves compared to looking at darkness, the study found.

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Aussie
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From: Sanford, FL USA
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Message 24 of 60 (363143)
11-10-2006 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Tony650
11-10-2006 8:34 PM


G'Day Tony! Nope, I'm afraid I haven't been back to Oz for many years. Doesn't mean I can't be proud of my heritage, or literally half of my family that resides there. What a great place to be a kid! I really want to revisit and show her off to my wife, who happens to be from Spain. :)

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ringo
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Message 25 of 60 (363146)
11-10-2006 8:59 PM
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11-10-2006 8:04 PM


Aussie writes:

... heck is a small price to pay for the truth.

Very well put. You should consider using that as your signature.

Welcome aboard. :)


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Buzsaw
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Message 26 of 60 (363151)
11-10-2006 9:25 PM
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11-10-2006 8:59 PM


Ringo writes:

Very well put. You should consider using that as your signature.

Yes! :cool:


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Aussie
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From: Sanford, FL USA
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Message 27 of 60 (363152)
11-10-2006 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by ringo
11-10-2006 8:59 PM


Aussie writes:
... heck is a small price to pay for the truth.

Very well put. You should consider using that as your signature.

Welcome aboard.

Thanks for the suggestion and great to meet ya'!


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Tony650
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Posts: 450
From: Australia
Joined: 01-30-2004


Message 28 of 60 (363154)
11-10-2006 9:43 PM
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11-10-2006 8:45 PM


Aussie writes:

Doesn't mean I can't be proud of my heritage, or literally half of my family that resides there.

Nah, I was just kidding. Good luck getting back out here some time.:)

Aussie writes:

...and show her off to my wife, who happens to be from Spain.

Lucky bastard! I've seen those Spanish women.;)


Ferret brain activity increased just 20 percent when looking at Keanu Reeves compared to looking at darkness, the study found.

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Aussie
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From: Sanford, FL USA
Joined: 10-02-2006


Message 29 of 60 (363156)
11-10-2006 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Tony650
11-10-2006 9:43 PM


Hi again, Tony,
Mind if I ask where in Australia you're from? I was only ever in Queensland, mostly Maryborough, where my grandparents still reside. My memories of Australia are those of a child...going to school, playing with friends,singing "God save the queen" before class, but what an awesome country!

About Spanish women...I'm SO proud of mine in so many ways... :)

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Buzsaw
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Message 30 of 60 (363157)
11-10-2006 9:56 PM
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11-10-2006 8:04 PM


Aussi writes:

Science is all about asking questions, but fundamentalists dare question nothing concerning the faith.

........So long as those questions don't consider Biblical history as possible evidence and yes true fundies question faith all the time. Thus the factions in Christianity and the admonishing of one another. Faith is not blind. If after observation if the chair is solid you sit in it having faith that it holds you up. By the same token we observe evidences of ID and either accept or reject relative to how extensively we observe and how we interpret those observations. Perhaps you were light on ID observation and heavy on Evo observation in your personal experience. After 3 years here I've seen nothing that compares to the scores of fulfilled prophecies, but alas, in most fundie churches the prophecies are never or seldom taught and certainly in none of the less fundie ones.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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