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frako
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Message 76 of 133 (870083)
01-11-2020 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Faith
01-11-2020 8:03 AM


Re: Why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.
Well you toppled their democracy, attacked their oil platforms, shot down an iranian airbus, violated their territorial sovereignty, raided their consulate, took their money, their oil tanker ...... What do you expect them to call you the grate american friends

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 77 of 133 (870086)
01-12-2020 1:29 AM
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01-11-2020 9:17 PM


Re: Why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.
That is the most amazing list of false propaganda I've seen in a long time. Any chance you could justify any of it?

P.S. No we aren't friends, because they are our enemies, and they are the ones that do that kind of stuff, not us.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 78 of 133 (870088)
01-12-2020 2:43 AM
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01-11-2020 7:27 PM


Re: Why The base Middle (Working) Class Might Be Annoyed By Globalism.
And just how do you imagine we can force anyone else to pay.
Well, how could they make us pay?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

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frako
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Message 79 of 133 (870089)
01-12-2020 2:56 AM
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01-12-2020 1:29 AM


Re: Why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.
1953 Iranian coup d'état
The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد‎), was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 19 August 1953,[5] orchestrated by the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project[6] or "Operation Ajax") and the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot").[7][8][9][10] It was the first covert action of the United States to overthrow a foreign government during peacetime.[11]

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia

Operation Nimble Archer

Operation Nimble Archer was the 19 October 1987 attack on two Iranian oil platforms in the Persian Gulf by United States Navy forces.

Operation Nimble Archer - Wikipedia

Iran Air Flight 655

Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided-missile cruiser of the United States Navy. The aircraft, an Airbus A300, was destroyed and all 290 people on board were killed.[1] The jet was hit while flying over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, along the flight's usual route, shortly after departing Bandar Abbas International Airport, the flight's stopover location.

Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia

U.S. raid on the Iranian Liaison Office in Erbil
The US raid on the Iranian Liaison Office in Erbil refers to the events of 11 January 2007 when the US military raided the Iranian Liaison Office (which was in the process of becoming accredited as an officially recognized consulate)[1] in Erbil, Iraq, ostensibly to detain two senior Iranian officials but capturing five mid-level diplomats instead

U.S. raid on the Iranian Liaison Office in Erbil - Wikipedia

i could go on. But it does not matter it would be easier to convince you of evolution then the reality that the real terrorist in this world is the us military complex.

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 80 of 133 (870092)
01-12-2020 6:54 AM
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Re: Why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.
Interesting that of course there is no explanation of WHY we did what we did.

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frako
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Message 81 of 133 (870097)
01-12-2020 7:15 AM
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01-12-2020 6:54 AM


Re: Why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.
Yea well tell me a good explanation for blowing up a plane with 66 children on it. Or toppling a democracy in favour of a monarchy, so you got to drill their oil is an explanation but not a good one. Face it the usa military is a terrorist organisation striking fear in to the harts of peoples that do not give american companies their due.

Take a look at the soudies. Your chummy with them so they can do anything, their royal prince bin laden can send 12 soudies to slam planes in to america and what does your military do? First you send the bin ladens home from america, then you attack Iraq.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 82 of 133 (870098)
01-12-2020 7:17 AM
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01-12-2020 7:15 AM


Re: Why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.
I don't believe anything you've said and your explanations are just the usual hateful propaganda. Sorry.

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frako
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Message 83 of 133 (870102)
01-12-2020 7:32 AM
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01-12-2020 7:17 AM


Re: Why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.
Then google operation ajax and tell me a good reason for doing it apart from getting irans oil.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 84 of 133 (870105)
01-12-2020 8:14 AM
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01-12-2020 2:43 AM


Re: Why The base Middle (Working) Class Might Be Annoyed By Globalism.
Phat writes:

Well, how could they make us pay?

You will most likely pay through pain and suffering.

Remember Phat, the US is still an oil importer even though we right now export more than we import.


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Message 85 of 133 (870106)
01-12-2020 9:19 AM
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01-11-2020 5:35 AM


Re: Why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.
The USA stripped Puerto Rico and totally destroyed the agriculture of the island. In the process of doing this the attempted to perform mass sterilization.

Here is a documentary that covers the US atrocities against Pu6ert Rico.

YouTube


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 86 of 133 (870118)
01-12-2020 1:25 PM
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01-12-2020 6:54 AM


Re: Why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.
Faith writes:

Interesting that of course there is no explanation of WHY we did what we did.


If we figure out WHY Charles Manson did what he did, does that justify what he did?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Phat
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Message 87 of 133 (870123)
01-12-2020 3:30 PM
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01-12-2020 8:14 AM


Re: Why The base Middle (Working) Class Might Be Annoyed By Globalism.
jar writes:

You will most likely pay through pain and suffering.

OK. You once stated that we are the sum of our experiences.
Think about it. My parents both grew up poor in the thirties. Dad went through WW II fighting Japan. All of the troops came home and our country enjoyed the aberration that you and I have discussed before...that period after WWII caused by the temporary ramped u industrial capacity of our nation. My sister and I came along, she in 1950 and I in 1959. Despite limited education, my parents both worked hard and became solidly upper-middle-class through blood, toil, tears, and sweat. My life was one of limited though addictive entitlement. Though never wealthy, my family provided an oasis that I grew up in, promising unlimited opportunity constrained only by the limits of my ambition.

This is essentially the blueprint for the entire generation which I grew up in. Now represented by a shrinking middle class competing with the poorer kids who tried harder and went to college and pushed their opportunities to the limit, we faced a domestic competition that soon grew global.

Is it fair? In my mind, no. I was promised an opportunity which then was takn from us. Essentially, this is what led to the formation of Donald Trumps infamous base. We are a country without a solid leader. We are a demographic with a diminished future. We are competing against a global population far hungrier than we ever were. And we want justice for what we had to be restored to us.

Jesus keeps us from being as evil as we could be. The fact is, people everywhere feel they "deserve" what I had. Whether or not they actually do, it is a wargame of major consequence.

You may simply think we will roll over and pay the bill--a bill we had no conception of, and a bill that was sold to us by adventuresome neocons who used the system to steal our money and allowed the rest of the world to gain on us. Why do you think we despise the liberals? They could care less about entitlement. What they seek is a Utopian world of equality and fairness. They know no allegiance to any nation or people. They are globalists.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
"You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle


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Phat
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Message 88 of 133 (870124)
01-12-2020 3:39 PM
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01-12-2020 1:25 PM


Re: Why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.
ringo writes:

If we figure out WHY Charles Manson did what he did, does that justify what he did?

No. But there are a lot of villains and a lot of victims. One should not have to be responsible for what one does not fully understand or create. Trump's base touches the fabric of the whole concept of a land of opportunity. Why the globalists had to come along and provide the secret to the whole world exposes capitalisms soft underbelly. You claim that socialism is the answer and indeed it may well eventually be. Perhaps if you can convince us to stop fighting the planet over what we lost, we might make some progress. But being broke is NOT an option. And as long as we can elect people with their hands on the button, we will have a say in global politics unless the world unites and takes us out.

Regarding Trump himself, I never saw an appeal. He is only out for himself. Perhaps that is the overall problem with all of us. We have enough problems getting our way at home without having to compete with a rising class of people from all over the world who want their piece of our pie! (Or what we thought was our pie)

You and I always argue about why *we* don't do what Jesus advocated. The fact is, only a very small minority of Christians will ever have the guts to do that. Christian Nationalism is a myth. Take away the money and you will see these people exposed for what they really are. Maybe Trump instinctively knows that. Maybe he is fighting to keep the dream alive another decade before it implodes for good, taking the world through a crisis with it.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
"You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle


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Phat
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Message 89 of 133 (870125)
01-12-2020 3:43 PM
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01-12-2020 9:19 AM


Re: Why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.
I watched part of that. Pure evil. Is it my fault though for growing up with white privilege? I didn't ask for it. And had the question been posed on a ballot, I never would have voted to exploit Puerto Rico or anyone else. I just wanted what my parents worked for to be passed on down to me.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
"You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle


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Message 90 of 133 (870126)
01-12-2020 4:15 PM
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01-12-2020 3:30 PM


Re: Why The base Middle (Working) Class Might Be Annoyed By Globalism.
Aw. Poor Baby!

BUT... reality intrudes.

No one sold you anything you did not buy. You got exactly what you wanted.

Reality is not some secret that was hidden away.

The question is... did YOU question? Did you learn about the world and history and what the US has done and why there was the Great Anomaly post WWII? Did you question the Apologists, both political and religious and really test what you were "being sold" against the reality of the product?

So maybe you fools start a war. Will that help you?

What do you know about United Fruit Company?

What do you know about the Mexican War?

What do you know about how many governments we have overthrown for purely commercial reasons? Can you even list them? I'll even give you the first. Hawaii!

Edited by jar, : No reason given.


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