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Trae
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Message 20 of 115 (127264)
07-24-2004 5:05 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Riley
04-03-2004 1:03 AM


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Intoxication is a human trait.
I know there’s something buzzing my brain about some animal making and drinking something fermented. Ring a bell with anyone?
Same goes with animals using drugs. I’m certain I’ve heard of the use of drugs by animals other than Cats and Catnip.
Same with koalas and eucalyptus, though the drug in eucalyptus might not effect koalas.
Hrrmmm. Does some research.
Seems many people report a variety of birds eating fermented fruits and or berries and flying erratically afterwards.
I have heard that arfican elephants will eat a "rotten" fruit which contains alcohol....sorry, no ref. though. Tim LISTSERV 15.5 - Archives - Error
Sorry, no reference, but I have heard of birds and bears eating fermented fruit and berries. I saw something about it in a nature show, but it was years ago. Tanya LISTSERV 15.5 - Archives - Error
Kahvah by goats.
That they eat the material, if they do, doesn’t presume that they do so to get high. In the case of alcohol, they may be doing it to gain access to the high calories.

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Trae
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Message 68 of 115 (597963)
12-26-2010 5:29 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Hyroglyphx
12-25-2010 4:04 PM


Re: Clarifying intent
If you’re going to blame the so-called enabler’s then you also have to accept blame when supporting the drug policy. Both create victims, but personally I feel it is the later that that create by far the most appalling injustices. We talk about drugs destroying lives, but we ignore when the government does exactly that. You say remove incentives, but far too often the drug-war locks people into a life of crime and drugs. Where I live you can’t even get a job cutting hair if you have a felony record. Remove their ability to obtain work isn’t helpful. Making someone a sub-citizen is IMO a reason to do drugs.
The war on drugs is insane. People have drawn some very ridiculous lines in the sand. I have an old school mate who was growing medical marijuana and not being able to legally bust the person, the police instead called in child services who took the children claiming that the smell of pot while growing was actually harmful to the children. This is the sort of result you wind up having when rhetoric for the Drug War gets out of hand. Now the couple have a very expensive lawyer and quite possibly the county they live in will shortly have even less funds to spend on real issues rather than inventing issues.

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Trae
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Message 69 of 115 (597965)
12-26-2010 5:36 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Hyroglyphx
12-25-2010 9:46 PM


Re: When jar is right, he's heavy right.
Look at how they handle it on the show Intervention on A&E. They don't just kowtow to avoid hurting the feelings of an addict, they say that you must get firm to save them. And the former addicts always thank them for the tough love, because as evidenced by overwhelming experience, enabling does not work... And just about every sociologist in the field of drugs would say the same thing I am, would they not?
I've not seen anything suggesting that the A&E approch is highly effective, have you? It isn't a show I've watched, but seems I've seen some flashes about various people failing. Certainly, it seems a very expensive approach. Also, consider that they get to cherry-pick who they treat.

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