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nator
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Message 31 of 75 (323342)
06-19-2006 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Buzsaw
06-19-2006 2:23 PM


Re: It's From Another Dimension
quote:
Look it up. Con= against, i.e. literally, conscience = against science.
Buz, you look it up.
nwr provided you a link to the etymology of the word in the post you are replying to and you still got it wrong.

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MangyTiger
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Message 32 of 75 (323350)
06-19-2006 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Buzsaw
06-19-2006 2:23 PM


Using one of those old fashioned paper dictionaries...
Look it up. Con= against, i.e. literally, conscience = against science.
I did look it up in my Etymological Dictionary - you're talking out of your backside.
As the link provided by nwr states, conscience comes from the latin conscire - for which my 1971 book gives the meaning 'to be well aware'.
As a prefix 'con' generally means with or together rather than against.
The against meaning (as an adverb such as in 'pros and cons' - not a prefix) is an abbreviation of the actual prefix you mean - contra.
Two simple examples to demonstrate:
  • contraband a. prohibited by law or treaty;--n. goods, the exportation or importation of which is forbidden; smuggled goods. (L. contra; L.L. bandum, a ban)
  • constipate v.t. to clog; to make costive.--constipation n. insufficient and irregular evacuation of the bowels; costiveness (L. con-; stipare, to pack)
Contra-band = against a ban
Con-stipation = (s**t) packed together
So in fact if conscience did have the root you suggest it would actually mean 'with science' - exactly the opposite of what you want!
I hope you'll ackowledge your mistake - I really don't want to have to copy out every entry from my dictionary that has the con or contra prefix to prove the point

Never put off until tomorrow what you can put off until the day after

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Buzsaw
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Message 33 of 75 (323444)
06-19-2006 6:09 PM
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06-19-2006 3:43 PM


Re: Buz Concedes
OK folks, my bad. Thanks for the lesson. The sylable con signifies an awareness as in conscious, and not as it may appear as meaning against. I would suppose however that secularist science has a tendency to pshaw the concept of conscience in the context it us usually applied.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Message 34 of 75 (323451)
06-19-2006 6:18 PM
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06-16-2006 6:59 AM


It's God.

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riVeRraT
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Message 35 of 75 (323452)
06-19-2006 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by nator
06-19-2006 1:22 PM


Re: you are being watched, but....
It's the devil.

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Larni
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Message 36 of 75 (323455)
06-19-2006 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by iano
06-19-2006 10:20 AM


Re: As if by magic.
Sorry Iano, you have lost me.

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Larni
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Message 37 of 75 (323463)
06-19-2006 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by nator
06-19-2006 1:28 PM


Schrafinator writes:
But the point is, the basis of all morality is the internalization of "what would others think of what I am doing if they saw me do it?"
Yeah I reckon thats pretty close.
We must have evolved to pay extreme attention to what other people in our group think of us.
I would not find it suprising that we evolved a 'program' running in our brains to constantly model other peoples posible reaction (based on our knowledge of our culture) and compare and contrast our actions for posible societal conflict.

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Larni
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Message 38 of 75 (323469)
06-19-2006 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Buzsaw
06-19-2006 1:51 PM


Re: It's From Another Dimension
RRat writes:
These entities are all of a dimension of existence which natural science has yet to explain or observe. Only the effects of these entities can be felt and experienced by humans affected by them.
Really, you mean posession and the like? Who has been posessed? It's George W. Bush is'nt it?

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Larni
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Message 39 of 75 (323473)
06-19-2006 6:34 PM
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06-19-2006 1:51 PM


Re: It's From Another Dimension
Buzz writes:
Con-science, i.e. against science, i.e. beyond the realm and understanding of the human mind's scientific knowledge.
You can't mean that.
ABE: I see several people beat me to it.
Edited by Larni, : Theatrical Trailer....Are'nt you just so glad that came on the DVD!

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Larni
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Message 40 of 75 (323477)
06-19-2006 6:39 PM
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06-19-2006 6:18 PM


Do you know that for a fact?
What leads you to believe this si so?

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Wounded King
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Message 41 of 75 (323478)
06-19-2006 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
06-19-2006 6:09 PM


Re: Buz Concedes
I would suppose however that secularist science has a tendency to pshaw the concept of conscience in the context it us usually applied.
Yeah, but you supposed that conscience meant 'against science' so if all we have to go on is your judgemnet I'll remain skeptical if I may.
TTFN,
WK

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Sour
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Message 42 of 75 (323524)
06-19-2006 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Larni
06-16-2006 6:59 AM


This concept (maybe not the right word) was that occaisionally we get the impression that we are being watched.
Now, thats not to say spied on, more like by a 'live studio audience' or a panel of reveiwers. We both felt some urge to impress this 'audience' by doing whatever task was at hand as competantly as we could.
Do you sense that you are being watched and then examine it or imagine the whole thing? I certainly experience the second, and sometimes catch myself at it.
We even agreed that when we were concentrating on impressing this imaginary audience we could focus of the task very well and time would fly by.
I definately get this. Are you aware of the identity of the reviewers?
I assume most people experience this to some degree, I think it's probably as already described by others; an internal result of consciousness related to social standing and morality. We care what others think so we think about it. Maybe we recieve similar rewards when thinking it as we do when doing it.
I'm interested because, I can't help wondering that if I interepreted this feeling different I might conclude it is god.
Could be .

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Larni
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Message 43 of 75 (323526)
06-19-2006 7:53 PM
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06-19-2006 7:47 PM


Sour writes:
Are you aware of the identity of the reviewers?
No. It never entered my head they were real.....untill now!
Seriously though, it has just occured to me that I watched a lot of TV when I was little.
It seems quite posible that I could have watched other people on telly and extroplated from that.

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nator
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Message 44 of 75 (323564)
06-19-2006 8:33 PM
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06-19-2006 7:53 PM


quote:
Seriously though, it has just occured to me that I watched a lot of TV when I was little.
It seems quite posible that I could have watched other people on telly and extroplated from that.
When I used to watch TV a lot, I would have dreams in an "observational" style, like on a sound stage.
Now that I don't watch TV any more, I tend to have more "first person" type dreams.

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Sonne
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Message 45 of 75 (323566)
06-19-2006 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Larni
06-19-2006 7:53 PM


Hi Larni,
You're probably right. I remember experiencing such feelings as a child, and then more acutely as a self-conscious teenage girl. In this case it would have had more to do with the self-centered nature that comes with those ages. Nowadays I feel that there are far more interesting subjects for observation!
Kakariki

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