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gene90 Member (Idle past 3850 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
quote: What does that have to do with economic policy? No, nevermind, I can appreciate a good non-sequitir. By the way, even if it were somehow possible to do what you suppose, you would end up with a bunch of college grads scrounging through garbage dumps instead of the illiterate because decent-paying jobs for college graduates don't just appear out of nowhere. There is no magic bullet that can create prosperity out of nothing in a single generation. A good start, though, would be to repeal protectionist economic policies at home, like tariffs and agricultural subsidies. The first step along the path to economic development is agricultural self-sufficiency, and this is impossible when local farmers cannot make a profit because developed nations like ours cheat the free market. Edited by gene90, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jar writes: Taxes nj. Sales taxes. Use taxes. Property taxes. Excise taxes. to which gene90 replied:
quote: Really? My property taxes this year were over half of what my income tax were. And cumulative sales tax for the year were about equal to my federal income tax. But that still misses the point. Illegal immigrants pay taxes. They help pay for the schools, the roads, the fire departments, the police, for water and sewer, for electricity and phones. Specifically, in Washington, Texas, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, Tennessee, Wyoming and South Dakota where there is no State Income Tax they pay about the same as anyone else that is in their earning range. Illegal immigrants are NOT making megabucks. Even if they were paying federal and state income taxes it is very doubtful that their contribution would be even noticeable. But illegal immigrants still pay taxes. To claim that they do not is simply false. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3850 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
quote: Mine didn't come close.
quote: I'm not sure how you managed that. I can't think of any way I could make that work. Sales taxes usually run about what, 7%? Maybe 10% What bracket pays ten percent in Federal income taxes? And that's assuming that you save or invest nothing--not a wise fiscal course of action. Edited by gene90, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Texas (guess where many illegal immigrants are) has no State income taxes, however we do have property taxes and pretty high sales taxes.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3850 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
quote: I do have to pay state income taxes. But what percentage of illegal aliens own their own home? (Strike off property taxes, which is probably the biggest on your list.) By the way, illegals are in every State, not just Texas. Edited by gene90, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But what percentage of illegal aliens own their own home? (Strike off property taxes, which is probably the biggest on your list.) Why? Why strike off property taxes? Even if they pay rent, part of that rent goes to pay the property taxes. Illegal immigrants pay taxes. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3850 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
quote: D'oh. You are correct.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2540 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
Honestly, America has had an immigrant problem since 1607. 1080s, actually. sorry, but "america" covers more than the US. (yes, I'm being pedantic. and it's my ancestor's who were the first from europe to find america, so it's mildly personal)
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Them was just tourists
Edited by jar, : No reason given. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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alacrity fitzhugh Member (Idle past 4316 days) Posts: 194 Joined: |
Hi gene90.
You do know that 3/4 of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants pay SSI, Medicare, and personnel income tax? In 1996 the IRS began issuing identification numbers .quote: quote:Illegal Immigrants are Paying a Lot More Taxes Than You Think With the passage of IRCA(immigration reform and control act) SSI has seen a mushrooming of the 'Earning Suspense File'quote:The file is for earnings filed under a bad number. For the '90s it totaled 189 billion dollars quote:Now it is increasing by 50 billion per year quote: quote:Illegal Immigrants Are Bolstering Social Security With Billions To sum it up: Over 8 million illegals pay federal taxes by using IRS issue identification numbers. Nearly the same amount pay $150(the price in California) for a package that supplies them with a fake ID and SSI number then use this to gain employment, out of their checks FICA and Medicare taxes are then payed in and they are unable to ever receive. Edited by alacrity fitzhugh, : No reason given. Edited by alacrity fitzhugh, : No reason given. six(sic)six
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3955 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
As for the Jupiter PD, what exactly do they do and how do they know how to target specifically Guatemalans? i had a friend in undergrad who had a really shity pickup. he'd get pulled over once a week by the cops and when they'd walk up to the window, they'd say "oh. we thought you were one of the guats."it's anecdotal, but it happened a lot. If Canadians were doing it too, I have no doubt that there would be all kinds of disparaging jokes about Canadians.... but the terrorists all came through canada. why are we worried about people just trying to work when there are terrorists out there?
Hey, my niece and nephew are Cuban-Americans. Leave them out of it. my boyfriends step siblings are cuban-polish. it's not about the "race", it's the politics i'm bothered by.
Because Castro didn't try to bomb us. no, didn't we get a president killed over something about cuba? i kid.
I'm not sure I understand your objection here. When the USSR fell, so did Cuba by extension. They no longer posed a threat, but we still have an embargo on them. And to add, when the Cold War was running strong we did try to take him out. There were about 4 assassination attempts on the man's life that all failed. Now he doesn't pose a threat. If we went in militarily now we'd denounced.... again.... for the umteenth time. yes. but the embargos have clearly failed to weaken his hold on cuba, which they were designed to do. they've also made us look no better.
What? No he didn't. I mean, he's about to die. But he's still kickin'. so they say. i haven't seen him since, what? october?
So you think that Alberto Gonzales is just the "token Mexican guy?" What about Condi? What about Obama? Could it be that they are qualified for their jobs? i'm saying they agree with the people who hired them. just because a policy is not intended to be racist does not mean it isn't. separate but equal was ruled to be just but was later ruled to be unequal.
Well, we did go in to Haiti in '95 to quell the violence there. fat lot of good it did.
think a quick fix is to "actually" get tough on it. but the solution is to be reasonable about it and not to just do whatever sexy thing people think will help. get tough on people who give jobs to illegals. that will help. building a wall, shooting people on the border, will not.
And if they actually went after the businesses that exploit these men and women, we might actually have something to show for it. exactly. these people just want jobs. the people who are really responsible to our laws who are breaking them are our local rich republicans.
But even still, lets not pretend that Cubans are often more in prestigious places of works whereas the Haitans are not. here, the hatians work part time in fast food places. the cubans work in brokerage firms, in skilled jobs, in schools, in retail...
And to add insult to injury her son-in-law owns a company named "Ahora Ingles" which teaches spanish speakers English via CD's and cassettes. I think this typifies what I've been saying. she's someone's abuelita. really.
Who is they? americans who assume that all brown people who speak spanish are illegal.
Doesn't every employer do that to every applicant? That's one of the first questions I've come across on applications. A social security number is usually all that is needed. i've never been asked in an interview for proof of employability. the first day of work, i take the form home and get it signed.
They get jobs like everyone else. You have to start at the bottom. yes, but people who come in with quality educations still end up starting at the bottom.
Me and about 80 million Americans say that. how exactly does providing more workers and more consumers reduce your rights? just because you're paranoid, doesn't make you right.
There is such a thing called "excess." excess what? excess people working the blueberry fields in maine? i've worked there, i promise, there's not any excess in migrant farm work. excess in janitors? really? cause everyone in america wants to clean toilets at walmart.
There aren't enough jobs as it is. not enough jobs in big cities of migrant labor? honestly. show me that the unemployment is not related to shifting industries. so the car companies have moved to mexico from detroit. so that means that there's no chance for other jobs? if there's only one walmart in a small town, sure, there's gonna be fewer jobs because one company provides all the jobs and services. this is the fault of walmart, not the immigrants. if there are so few jobs, what does it matter if the immigrants are legal or not? they're still "stealing our jobs".
So its peaches and cream for someone not even allowed to work here, but law abiding citizens get the short end of the stick. you are aware that illegal immigrants are underpaid and ill-treated and sometimes forced to work without pay because they have no recourse? are you going to say they deserve to be taken advantage of?
I think the companies that harbor them are. because they don't want to pay the minimum wage that citizens and legals can fight for. it's pure and simple injustice.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3955 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
arguing that it's wrong to steal their land and use it for our own profit (becaause they "bought it fair and square") when they could be using just hiring practices and charging the same amount and actually providing useful, reasonable incomes to their workers is not the same as demanding that they continue to live in straw huts. why don't you take a trip to south america and see how people live instead of living in your little concrete block with your fancy internet and your popped collar?
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3955 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
Good luck getting either in a Democratic Congress. The unions are running things now. what unions? what a joke.
Some of these are a bit too altruistic, especially supporting education in foreign countries. Why should I pay to help other nations compete with the American economy? i never said it was easy. i said it was the right thing to do.
By the way, you do realize that farmers use the money they get from fair trade to buy chainsaws, right? To clear more rainforest? So they can live more like we do? that's their choice. why should they protect their natural resources when we don't?
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3955 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
That only applies to the ones that actually will die if they don't. What percentage of immigrants actually falls under that category? I suspect a miniscule one. do you really suggest that we wait to see how many people we can kill with our immigration policies? what kind of heartless fuck are you?
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3955 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
The problem is that we have finite resources those finite resources make up more than half of the wealth of the whole world.
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