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...an a-la-carte Bible Liberalist. ("I'll have Mark to start, Matthew for main course (medium rare). I'll skip Luke and (cos he wasn't there). You can put John in a doggy bag - thanks. Oh! and regarding allergens - there's no Paul in any of this, is there?)

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ROTFLMAO!

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How can you take such enjoyment in meaningless tasks that were created for you to partake in by other humans, by humans who were thinking about money, and greed, and efficiency?

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Please save yourself from it, you still can.

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That's rich from a kid who doesn't pay his own bills.LOL!

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I don't care about the benefits, you can have mine.

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OK.Hand over the guitar.

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Fact is, I am in a similar system, which disgusts me, called college. I want to take my guitar, and go to California, but I would probably have a very hard time thriving.

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Philosopher, heal thyself.If you don't have the balls to live by your own advice to everyone else, then that makes your philosophy pretty empty, doesn't it?You hate capitalism, and life within it is so awful for you, but heaven forbid you give up your cushy existence that is paid for with the support of those in the system.Like, you're just a big ol' hypocrite, aren't you?And, tell me, what do you want to go to California for, anyway? To make it big in the music industry?No, that's not a disgusting uber-capitalist business out there in LA, no, not at all.

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I can teach my teachers, my one philosophy class feels like sunday school, and I actually have to take my time and do homework for these people. Not only that, it's not what I want to be doing. I want to learn from the philosophers themselves, instead of having some muddled down version from a depressing individual who sees the world as capitalism.

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Gosh, what's it like being so incredibly brilliant?I'll bet everybody there doesn't mind you looking down on them, including your professors, cuz they can see how obviously above all of them you are.They just love to bask in your presence, I'll bet.

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I guess you got me there. How come noone else thought of that lol.
I might have to think about all of this some more, that's some point.

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Where was your guitar made?Did you make it?

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My philosophy teacher made a list of philosophical questions on the board. These "life" questions included who to vote for in an election, and which products to buy. They weren't about anything important.

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...or, you aren't smart enough or haven't learned enough to understand why they are important.

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Although my post may have seemed egotistical, I was trying really to show everyone that I see similar situations arising in my own life, and that I understand what I see in them.

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The thing is, you don't know anything about any of us, let alone understand. Certainly you don't know or understand enough about us to lecture us about how we should think and live.Hell, you barely know anything more than your own very limited life experience.It's really just so funny how perfectly you fit the stereotype of someone your age. Kids who think and act like you are a dime a dozen.

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Well, I didn't need someone to point out for me how my existance has been without true purpose, and I would never deny it or ignore it, if it was pointed out.

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Define "true purpose".

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And I am "learning". An environment where ideas are discussed.

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But how much can you really be learning if everyone around you, including your professors, is clearly so far beneath you in intelligence?

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I haven't been brought into meaningless work, and jobs designed for profit.

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So in other words you're a spoiled kid who's never had to earn his own way.

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I don't understand how you're "cushy existance" within the system has never frustrated you.

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Of course, you have no idea if it has ever frustrated me or not, because you've never asked.All you have ever done is preach and lecture.And why do you want to go to California with your guitar? To enter the music business?And you never addressed the main point of my message: Talk is cheap, kiddo. It's all just mental masturbation if you aren't willing to live the life philosophy you lecture everyone else about. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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I believe that Charlie has a case of waunderlust. He wants to get out and just be himself...sow his wild oats while attempting to remain true to his beliefs. If his musical prowess continues to improve, he may one day join a band with similar beliefs as his own in regards to escape from the world of jobs and responsibilities that inevitably await most people out of High School and college.

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They may make some money at it, and they may not---but they will learn a lot about themselves and their values as they express them to the people who frequent the venues where they will sing.

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But that's still a job, and one that still requires responsibility.Since at least one of them has never even had a job, I'm not sure what world of "jobs and responsibility" they are escaping."Avoiding having to work for a living", aka "aspiring to being lazy slackers" while attempting to justify it with a lot of amateur philosophical folderol is what I see going on here.Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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Don't you love chatting with young idealists, Schraff? It recharges my optimism usually.

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I don't find the twins particularly optimistic.I find them rather depressing, actually.And dude, I've always been an idealist, albeit a fairly pragmatic one.Oh, and "folderol"?"mere nonsense; foolish talk or ideas."

Hey, here's another lyric I thought of that is appropriate.Warning: adult languageU-Mass, by The Pixies

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You must hold the ability to read minds because you do not know him personally.

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Er, so must prophex claim that ability, since he knows none of us personally and still feels comfotable telling all of us how to live and how to think.

What I'd really like are the answers to the questions I and others have raised.So far, moo has pretty much ignored them.Like, who made his guitar?And, why does he want to go to California with is guitar. Like, why California, specifically?Wouldn't it be more in line with his philosophy to go to North Dakota, or maybe the northern Canadian wilderness?You know, so he can be completely outside "the system" and therefore uncorrupted by the contamination of capitalism.

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On the way home, after long, quiet miles, he turned to me and said, "I'll always be the guy that let the team down."

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"Yeah," I replied, "you will."

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"But it's up to you to decide what that means. You don't have to be the guy that always lets the team down. Everybody makes mistakes; everybody lets the team down. But not everybody learns from that mistake. You can be the guy that learned never to let the team down."

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*sigh*My father wouldn't have cared about the game at all and my mother would have berated me the whole way home.I would have given just about anything for a real parent like you.You're a good man, omni.

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Key word: simple.

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Yes."Simple", as in "easily answered".Not "simplistic", but "simple".Did you make your guitar, or was it made in a factory?Do you want to California to try to make it in the music business?Isn't it hypocritical for you to lecture everyone else about living in a capitalist system when you refuse to live your own philosophy?

moo = Messenjah Of OneJust like LM = Lithoid-Man

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So I won't attempt to post anything at all again, this forum's foundation is built upon a subject too broad, breeds an environment lacking intellectuals.

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Perhaps you'd like to contrast the positions of Swift, Musseler, and Podhajsky?