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Author Topic:   Why Atheists don't believe
nator
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Message 59 of 310 (311993)
05-15-2006 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by iano
05-15-2006 12:28 PM


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It seems to me that once you have the evidence then choice to disbelief is no more.
As is amply displayed on this very website, having been shown strong evidence in favor of something need not have any bearing whatsoever upon if someone decides to disbelieve something.
The human brain is like that.

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nator
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Message 231 of 310 (312843)
05-17-2006 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by iano
05-15-2006 1:10 PM


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I think the example used was a right-before-you-eyes kind of evidence. If you've a time machine that we can hop into an fast forward back to watch evolution happen before our eyes then I'll book myself a place. What you offer -an inferred conclusion from science (which has been calibrated against the presumptions and assumption of...er...science) is not exactly what I had in mind.
All of science is inferred.
If you reject indirect evidence and inference, you reject science entirely.

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nator
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Message 233 of 310 (312859)
05-17-2006 1:28 PM
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05-17-2006 1:22 PM


You have skirted the issue again.
You said that you would be impressed with "in front of your face" evidence that science didn't have, implying that this basis in inference is why you rejected evolution.
Sorry, that's a double standard.
If you reject the ToE because it's based upon inference, then you must reject the existence of electrons, too.
Nobody's ever directly observed one of those, either.

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nator
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Message 274 of 310 (314286)
05-22-2006 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by riVeRraT
05-22-2006 7:00 AM


When my boss says that we need five more pizzas made, I make them, I don't go to check if we are actually out of pizzas; I just do it.
quote:
Well that really has nothing to do with evidence does it?
It has everything to do with evidence.

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nator
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Message 281 of 310 (314344)
05-22-2006 11:57 AM
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05-22-2006 9:27 AM


[quote]Which part of this statement has to do with evidence?
When my boss says that we need five more pizzas made, I make them, I don't go to check if we are actually out of pizzas; I just do it.
quote:
The part that his boss says He needs 5 pizzas?
Yes.
quote:
Or the part were the boss says he is out of pizzas?
Yes.
quote:
We are assuming that the boss needs 5 pizzas because he is actually out of them, based on the statement.
Right.
But we could check for the evidence that he needs them.

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nator
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Message 300 of 310 (314442)
05-22-2006 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by robinrohan
05-22-2006 6:00 PM


Re: Why should an atheist believe?
quote:
Your statement suggested that it was easier to be a believer than an atheist. I would think it would be equally hard or easy in either case.
Considering that the vast majority of the world's population of humans believes in some sort of divine entity or god, I would be inclined to think that believing comes quite easily to us.

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