Why Atheists don't believe

Yes - it's interesting isn't it - as our technological ability to investigate and record has increased, the "space" for Gods to exist in has decreased."God is over those mountains!"Oh no he isn't!"em..well..God is in the clouds!"Oh no he isn't!"well...that must mean God is on the MOON!"Oh no he isn't!UFOs are sort of similar in that observers tend to produce descriptions that best fit the technology of the time (so in the steam age, many UFOs seemed to be made of iron and steam-powered).

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If there was a God, and it was the Christian one, wouldn't you want to know Him? Wouldn't you want some kind of evidence?

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You are getting down to the crux here - there are 1000s of them out there ("gods") and we are all busy people. It's difficult for christians to understand this but their guy doesn't stand out in the crowd - they are pretty much of a muchness.

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It's funny, the atheist's here don't believe because of lack of evidence. They want a sign first, then they will believe. But that's not the way it works. If you seriously want to know God, then you have to ask Him into your heart, and mean it. It might take years before you get a viable sign, so be patient. But you'll know it's Him when it happens, just like you know that 2+2=4. It's truth and love, feelings you are very familiar with, you can't miss it.

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This is another important point - I don't want to know him, it's not a seriously concept for me (and i guess many other atheists), not something I spend too much time thinking about. This is not intended as an insult but from my perspective it comes across is like asking us to open our heart to Captain America or Superman. I know it sounds insulting but honestly it's not meant to be, I'm just trying to explain the mindset I have.There are many people who have a disbelief, not because they have seriously considered the matter but because they don't care. Belief is not the default state.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 12-May-2006 09:26 AM

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Oh, but He does. We are different from every other religion in that we are saved by faith. That's what believing is all about.

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Sounds no different at all from any of the stuff the other peddlers are selling.

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So when you are lying on the bed staring at the light bulb in the ceiling and wondering is something more to this life than just what I see around me, that's when you are wondering about God, and truth.

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You have a point there but many of us have already looked at the christian version of God and have found him to be uninteresting/false/not convincing etc. So we might be thinking about a god but with many dead-ends already excluded.The ones I "know" to be false include all the versions of the christian god I have encountered, the muslim version and various spin-offs. One of the other ones might present a more convincing case but I don't know what I don't know.Edited by CK, : expanding on point.

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What is the Holy Spirit?

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It's one aspect of the Trinity along with the Father (God) and the Son (Jesus). It's of particular interests to followers of Trinitarian Christianity. Rastafarians seen it as a seperate thing that dwells inside people.

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What does it mean to be born again?

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It's a christian ritual which is tied with spiritual rebirth.I'm not really sure where those questions are leading?Is this one of those "don't think - you must feel things?"That's the first thing that grifters (conmen) learn - apply to emotion.Edited by CK, : TypoEdited by CK, : adding further query?

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We believe it dwells inside us too.

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No they believe it's a seperate thing - it does not form part of the trinity.

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Perhaps study a bit more about it? There may be some misconceptions about it that you have.

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No - I understand the concept of it pretty well.

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I only asked you those question because you said you explored Christianinty. But I say there is still more to explore for you. I just want to encourage you to educate yourself more on it. It couldn't hurt you, you are impervious to being tricked.

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I've no interest in doing that.

hahahahahhah - I laugh not because of the result but because that's the first thing I did after reading Iano's post.However I gotJesus = 210,000,000Sex = 713,000,000

How can my point be refuted? It's an entirely subjective viewpoint.Do lots of people believe in jesus? yesDo lots of people create webpages about jesus? yes.Does that mean Jesus stands out of a crowd to atheists like me?no.

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You owe your disbelief to what Jesus did for you.

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Disbelief was impossible before Jesus?

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Chrisitianity is the only faith system in which your eternal position is decided not by what you do

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I thought that Blasphemy of the holy spirit was an unforgivable sin?

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God takes a dim view on people worshipping such false gods. Its not harmless error - its blatant denial of him and his claim on us.

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Chrisitianity is the only faith system in which your eternal position is decided not by what you do but what God does FOR you.

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Did it require a question? I thought it was pretty obvious from the two quotes?Your position seems to shift depending on the answer that you best think defeats the position put to you.

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hang on - I already did!

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You met Confucius? (who lived 500 years before Jesus) - the jews and the egyptians beat you christians to that one as well.Edited by CK, : Clarification.

And it's a matter of historical record that he was not the first mortal to utter such words.

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""What you do not want others to do to you, do not do to others."

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It is featured in Analects of Confucius which are the collected writings of the Chinese thinker Confucius.You might also be interested in -

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"Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you" (Mahabharata 5:15:17)

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"One should not behave towards others in a way which is disagreeable to oneself. This is the essence of morality. All other activities are due to selfish desire." - Mahabharata, Anusasana Parva, 113.8

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(I'm unclear about the dates associated with the Mahabharata but as far as I can see that is a BC event as well).Edited by CK, : Hindu verses.Edited by CK, : Formatting first quote.Edited by CK, : argg bloody tagsEdited by CK, : No reason given.

Your position is inconsistent - I don't need to engage in any long confusion with you to point that out. Indeed, such a point is likely to be lost in any lenghty post. I'm actually more interested in bring it to the attention of the reader than you. My post entirely served the purpose it was intended to.If anyone else wants to engage in long waffle with you - that's upto them, I have no interest.