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Author Topic:   Why Atheists don't believe
Jon
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Message 268 of 310 (314243)
05-22-2006 1:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
05-11-2006 8:24 AM


Like many here, I too am not atheist, but will answer nontheless.
1. Why don't you believe in the divine?
I actually used to, but as I grew older and started looking at the issues myself, I realized that all the stuff I had been preached as a child was baseless, with no evidence in its support.
2. Do you believe in anything without evidence?
Sure do. When my boss says that we need five more pizzas made, I make them, I don't go to check if we are actually out of pizzas; I just do it. Why? Because if we end up wasting a load of pizza at the end of the night, that's his own loss, not mine. However, when it directly impacts my life, I most certainly would not accept (I don't believe in anything) something without good evidence to do so.
Trék

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Jon
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Message 282 of 310 (314387)
05-22-2006 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by riVeRraT
05-22-2006 7:00 AM


Well that really has nothing to do with evidence does it?
Yes, it does have something to do with the evidence. My boss has the evidence at hand, and he/she made a decision based on it. I trusted his/her decision without having to see the evidence for myself. In a case like this, the evidence exists, but I am just trusting someone else to interpret it.
Like CK has said, though, it is really a case-by-case sort of thing. You can't group all the events in someone's life into one big pot as if they are all the same and hold an equal amount of importance.
I can say with authority that, yes, a good percentage of atheist do not believe in stuff without evidence, at least of some sort.
Why can you say that? What is this "authority" you are talking about? And what do you mean by "stuff"? In this case, I am very much unwilling to believe you based on just what you've said. I want some evidence in support.
Trék

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Jon
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Message 285 of 310 (314398)
05-22-2006 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by fefaith
05-22-2006 3:09 PM


The concept of not beleiving starts with a beleif, and a beleif evolves around questionong. Aren't we all questioning?
I don't think I agree with this. I would assume that not believing is where it starts. The default position is a position of non-belief, and the position of belief only comes after. You have the order a little twisted.
It all boils down to chemical reactions. What contaminates our chemical processor (the brain and it's connections)has an effect on its production. If you sprinkle some faith you get a reaction, if you sprinkle doubt, you produce another reaction.
The problem, is that you are seemingly talking about real chemical reactions. However, the last time I checked, faith and doubt were not elements on the Periodic Table. You can't cause reactions by sprinkling fairy dust on the brain.
I don't even know if they like pizza
Well, I'm pretty sure I do like pizza. Then again, I'm not atheist.
Trék

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Jon
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Message 299 of 310 (314441)
05-22-2006 6:13 PM
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05-22-2006 5:07 PM


They are real chemical reactions. Synapses occurs everytime the brain is stimulated.
Yes, I agree with you there. They are real chemical reactions. But faith and doubt aren't real things. The preception of faigh and doubt are themselves chemical reactions: the are not the source of the reaction. This is my opinion.
(thoughts or brainwaves from another source-like when a baby is hungry and mamas 3 hours away but her breasts start to leak
Are you saying that a baby sends brain signals to his distant mother and it is those signals that cause her to lactate? I'm no expert on this, but there was a thread about it. I do believe it has to do with timing though.
or when you sense that someone is staring at you and sure enough, you turnaround and catch the stare)
Many times when I sense people staring at me, and I turn around, there is no one there. However, I couldn't blame someone if they did stare... who could resist ?
If the resulting reaction of being an atheist brings forth satisfaction, so be it. If faith works, so be it.
Perhaps that's what it is. Perhaps it is that some people are simply content building their lives on ideals that have no evidence backing whatsoever.
Choosing to react to the news of the farm is also a matter of how your brain has learned to release the chemicals necessary to go one way or another, or even being innert...
...Is this stupid. In no way. I would not stick my hand in the fire to see if it is true that it burns. I would jump off a cliff to see if gravity is as they say it is.
I think we all know from being children that we learn puting our hand on the stove is a bad thing because we do it. Being humans, we are also able to recognize when other humans are experiencing discomfort, and are generally going to avoid those activities we see causing said discomfort.
Trék

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